Looks great! That blue looks really nice.

Seems we are converging in opinions and will get a tremendeous step forward in vMix's audio setup.
I think your updated screen shot looks good Martin. Please consider reshuffling the modules in order to follow the typical layout of most mixers. That is, inputs to the left, then the bus faders, and master at the rightmost position.

With the new bus scheme, will it be possible to have more than three buses (M, A, and B)? I've got a sense that it will be increasingly popular to take in many live IP cameras, for which separate audio routing out to an external mixer would come in handy.

On the other hand, a thought that is on the edge of my thinking (without practical tryouts this is becoming very complex ;). If the IP Inputs (or any other video inputs wiht audio) are assigned to A or B, and then the Audio button on the Input module mute that Input, then it would be possible to have all IP inputs share a bus (eg A). Then by un/muting the Inputs it would be possible to get sound from only one at a time.

In any case, I cant wait to get my fingers on the next beta!

You truly rock Martin!!!

Hi again everyone ... an update:

Whoopee ... Success!! -:) But quite a long story. I'll outline my audio routing since it may help, since the same system now works in vMix.

I spent another couple of days trying all combinations of vMix and my audio mixers and cards I could think of - all to no avail. So in frustration I downloaded the latest beta copy of VidBlaster. And sure enough, just I had found in the past, despite not having looked at VB for almost a year, I was up and running doing what I wanted in about half and hour! And testing again I was able to have myself as the presenter at my desk, run pre-recorded video clips and audio files as required, add lower thirds etc. Throughout all of this I was able to:

1) Use my Panasonic GS400 DV camera (in ProCine 16:9 mode)via Firewire into the main computer
2) Use my boom mounted Rode NTG1 (on phantom power) into my Behringer 1002B mixer, panned full left, then out via main out left to the Shark which added the required 203ms of delay to obtain lip syc
3) Run my delayed audio from the Shark into my Behringer Q502 USB mixer ch3-4 mono
4) Run computer audio (from the video clips and audio files) into the 1002B, panned full right.
5) Run the computer audio (and any other external audio being fed into the 1002B on other channels)out via main out right into the 502.
6) The 502 now receives my voice with delay on ch2-3 and all other audio from the 1002B that does not have delay on ch4-5.
7) This entire mix then goes into the computer (and VB) via the USB of the 502 mixer.

This is fine except to one problem; I cannot monitor that final mix in my headphones because it contains the 203ms delayed audio! So a separate headphone mix is required; one that will allow me to hear everything as normal, but containing my non delayed audio. This is achieved by sending my original (non delayed) audio channel out via an fx send into the USB-2track input of the 502.

Buttons on this allow me to route that audio to just my headphones. So by toggling this button on and off I can match the audio level I hear to be the same with or without the delay. It only remains for me to then send via the fx send, the right amount of audio from all the other channels of the 1002B to again match the level heard in the 502 final mix.

Once this is all set up I can then just keep the 502's USB-2track button depressed so that I hear the final mix and myself without the delay.

Phew! -:) sounds complicated, and could be easier with a mixer that could set up a separate headphone mix. But how about vMix in all this? Hooking up yet another audio interface - my Edirol UA-25 - and being involved in both audio and computers since before the invention of "Windows" I decided to give it one last try

I am still trying to get my head around things audio wise in vMix but it seems my longstanding mistake was in adding my external mixer as an audio input! Seemed logical to me; but it's not needed and causes complications. Under the main Settings in vMix, having just set my Edirol UA-25 as the audio output and my 502 USB mixer as the recording audio interface, it all worked! The mixer does not show up as an input in vMix at all!

I could fade audio in and out as required on the 1002B mixer, monitor and listen back on the headphones of the 502 mixer. The vMix mixer gives confusing results, with its audio levels running full volume, even when the mixer's levels are off. And so they bear no relationship to what is being actually recorded. So having established the meters were showing audio in the Recorder channel, I thankfully just closed the vMix mixer down.

I have not tried streaming yet; just wanted to update folks on my findings so far.

As for the vMix mixer; not sure if it's been suggested - but could it not have an option to pop up in another window? It could then be moved over to another monitor and not clutter up the main vMix interface. Users could then choose to have the mixer "docked" on free floating. I just want my audio to run as in VB and would never use it!

Anyway, I am a pretty happy bunny right now and looking forward to some more experimenting.

Peter
PS. Just thought I would add that the cables run balanced where possible and via Behringer HD400 and ground loop isolators of course!

That's not really an option because you will run into problems with the keyboard shortcuts. Only the window in focus will receive them and that should always be the video switching/main program window.

Hi again Richard,
I see things have moved on a bit in the last few days, with discussion the features of the new v13 etc. and had not realised this when I posted. I'll just experiment some more with what I have for the moment; it seems to work at last, so I am not going to fix it! -:)

I would just add my vote to something said earlier, in getting audio outside of vMix completely for anything but the most simple setup. This "software creep" where increasing amounts of so called "features" are added is common. I agree being able to hear what is actually being recorded or streamed is nice but overall, keep vMix as a brilliant video switcher and do not try to make it into an all singing and dancing audio mastering tool too. Are we going to see limiter, expander gates requested next! -:)

Peter

I can't wait to play with the preview version Martin will prepare .. :)

Until then, I have a potential issue ( in theory ) working with multiple buses.

Let's say I get all the mics into an external mixer and it feeds vMix trough an audio module.

Right now, I have a delay of aprox 120 ms for that sound in order to keep the lip sync.

With the buses (let's say I use bus A to route the internal audio - video modules or ipcameras) I send the sound to the same mixer and get it back trough the audio module into the Master.

But remember.. the audio module insert a delay of 120 ..

So, the audio from the video module will have a delay of at least 120 ms now so it will be out of sync.

Any thoughts ? Any work around ?

Or do it like this (Total Control Setup - TCS :-) ):

Could you explain in more detail what you mean by this?
Since the audio mixer will be controlling this input, surely you can mute sources as required there?

I've included this update here for download so you guys can try out the new audio features!
If there aren't any major bugs I will post it to the main beta thread as well.

http://www.vmix.com.au/download/vmix13.99.exe

Features/Changes

* Separate headphone volume control to set master level independently of master output.
* Soloing an input no longer overrides master level. Master level will always show what is going out to recording.
* New A/B busses for various audio routing scenarios and basic mix minus for Skype etc (when used with Virtual Audio Cable)
* Audio Mixer can be undocked to a separate window
* New Audio Outputs tab in Settings with audio channel selection
(Use 5.1 sound card output as three independent stereo channels)
* Added tool tips to various buttons to explain functionality
* Audio Mixers can be collapsed

Regards,

Martin
vMix

Thank you Martin!

In case anyone wonders why I don't comment anything here until early next week, I would like to explain that the Midsummer Partying begins now. So I will be busy dancing around a pole with leaves and flowers, sing traditional schnapps songs, flip stuff on the barbecue, eat like a Viking, not sleep, and so on.

See ya!