Thanks,



Not sure what "the desk" is ;)

And, if I send bus A out to the PC's sound card Line out, then what about "Monitor out" and "Headphones"? These should not go out to anything, or maybe a second/third PC audio out device/s for listening/monitoring.
As is now there is something called "Default". Is that Window's default speaker device (which defaults to Line/Speaker out for sound cards with only one audio output device.

Default is the Windows default audio output.

There are different ways you would use the new audio setup, depending on the number of audio outputs available in your computer.
You would still set the final output from the external mixer in vMix Settings -> Audio just as before.

One Audio Output

Use the "Master" bus only, and send the output to the external audio mixer. (Same as previous versions of vMix)
Set all audio outputs to Default.

All monitoring done from external audio mixer.

Two Audio Outputs

Master: Set to the second audio device which will be connected to the external audio mixer.
Headphones: Set to Default or first audio device.

Under this setup you can solo any input to monitor in headphones, without affecting the mix going to the audio mixer.

Three Audio Outputs

Identical to two Audio Outputs with the ability to send a separate mix to the audio mixer
through Bus A. In this setup you could distribute video inputs etc between the M bus and A busses.

Important Note

The "M" or "Master" bus is what is sent to "vMix Audio", so if you have the external mixer set as the recording
device instead, then it just becomes another bus like everything else.

Sorry Martin, I am totally and utterly lost. (And it does not help that when I want to save a preset, the save browser starts in the folder from which I recently loaded a video, not the folder to which I previously saved a preset).

Please bear with us all. The new audio scheme is a major overhaul, with many suggestions, ideas, possibilites, and so forth. I am trying as hard as I can contributing and trying things out, in an effort to be constructive.

The below is all with v13.0.0.104

I have an external mixer. Channel 1 is from a microphone, channel 2 and 3 from the PC:s speaker out.
Main out from the external mixer is connected to the PC:s line in ("Microphone" input device in Windows).
And I would like to play video clips in vMix input, routing the audio out to the external mixer.
At this simple stage I don't care about monitoring in vMix, just get the audio recording working.

I have tried to follow your instructions, but I cannot figure out how to get it right.



I set all audio outputs to "Default" (Master output, Headphones, A and B).
I checked that Window's default audio out device is "...Speaker".
I added a Video player input (here called "Video").
I added an Audio input, using the device "Microphone (Realtek high definition audio)"
No audio delays set for anything.

Schematic A
Settings/Audio "Recording Audio" I set to "Microphone".
In vMix audio mixer "Microphone" has M/A/B all deselected.
In vMix audio mixer "Video" sends to M, but not A/B.
Input "Microphone" has Audio deselected (not green)..
Input "Video" has Audio selected (green).
Tests below while Recording (so I can monitor "Recording" in vMix's audio mixer").

* Test recording of external mike.
On external mixer Channel 1 leveled up, Channel 2 and 3 both down.
Sounds good in external mixer's headphone.
vMix audio mixer level meter for Recording jumps up slightly before Microphone's level meter as I speak.
Recorded sound is hearable, but terrible.

*Test recording of video played in vMix.
On external mixer Channel 1 leveled down, Channel 2 and 3 both up.
Sounds good in external mixer's headphone.
vMix audio mixer level meter for Recording behaves really strange.
Recorded sound is terrible (som kind of self suppression/echo).

Schematic B
Under Settings/Audio "Recording Audio" is changed to "vMix audio". (Schematic B)

* Test recording of external mike.
On external mixer Channel 1 leveled up, Channel 2 and 3 both down.
Sounds good in external mixer's headphone.
vMix audio mixer level meter for Microphone follows me speaking in mike
vMix audio mixer level meter for Recorder does not move.

*Test recording of video played in vMix.
On external mixer Channel 1 leveled down, Channel 2 and 3 both up.
Sounds good in external mixer's headphone.
vMix audio mixer level meter for Video looks nice.
vMix audio mixer level meter for Microphone behaves really strange.
vMix audio mixer level meter for Recording follows Video, does not matter how I mix on external mixer.
Recorded sound is appearantly not coming from the external mixer.



Sorry, I cannot comprehend what you say. For example "have the external mixer set as the recording device"? What do you mean? Settings Audio/Recording Audio set to what?

As per the advanced setup, the Microphone input should only be added once, and that is in vMix settings under the Audio tab for Recording and Streaming.
If you add it to vMix as an input as well you are just going to get feedback loops.

EDIT: I see if you have only added it for monitoring with all busses disabled, which is fine.

The common issue I am seeing in the setup above is something wrong with the Microphone input, perhaps
a line in cable is plugged into the Microphone which won't work due to the balanced input it is expecting.

Martin,

Thanks for the kind support and directions. What I basically need to do is simply to use an external mixer to mix microphones attached to it, with (video) audio played out inside vMix. What I also would like to do is to see on the Master level meter what is received from the external mixer, before and during recording/streaming. A bonus would be if I also could listen what is received from the external mixer.

When I in my previous post wrote "Microphone input" that is what Windows describes it as. Actually that input is line level, and I can use it to record other things w/o problems (eg VidBlaster, and vMix v12). Compare Peter's "which shows as..."

For the moment I avoid USB audio devices (have such) because they introduce additional delay, and I need to figure out the basic stuff before I turn into delay matters ;)

So, I have an Asus Rampage IV Gene.

On the front panel there are
- Headset/Speaker out
- Mic in

On the rear panel there are for "Headset 4 channel":
- Line In
- Line Out
- Mic in
(and for "8 channel" Line in, Front speaker out, Mic in, Center/Subwoofer, Rear speaker out, Side speaker out)

In Realtek HD audio manager I checked (not via vMix) that simultaneously:
a) audio can be played out on Headset/Speaker out (front panel)
b) audio can be played out on Line out (rear panel)
c) audio can be recorded at Line In (rear panel)

Now, using an external mixer I would like to:
- Attach one microphone on Channel 1
- Connect Line out from PC to Channel 2 and 3
- Connect Main out from external mixer to Line in on PC

Please advice on how to set up necessary inputs/devices/mixer settings in vMix.
On a side note, regarding "Default"

First of all, I believe that "Default Windows playback device" is better, as one (me) otherwise might think of some vMix default thing.

Second, I wonder if there might be some situation where Windows default device is the same as the one set for Master output.

Third, in situation where one do not want to use headphones, bus A or bus A and B, I think it should be possible to specify "None" for these. And consequently those selected as non should not be shown in vMix's mixer.

Sorry for not coming back earlier on this.

First of all, I am a happy guy :) Earlier today we premiered with our new jib during a live production. A nice step forward, looked wonderful!

Second, I figured out a lot of the audio stuff in vMix, so basically I can do what I wanted to do. I just love you Martin! (in a business sense ;)

I did what you asked me to do in the previous post. That sounded great.

Then I tried a couple of different things that I for various reasons have forgot by now. But I do remember the important points. First, it is crucial to restart vMix when changing audio settings. Second, the <b>basic trick</b> (for my use) is fivefold (at least on W7, have note tried with W8 yet). This way it works with only one output audio device, drawback I cannot monitor levels in vMix before recording is started.

1. set Master and Headphones to something else than Default, in my case Digital outputs (which I do not use).
2. set bus A to rear Speaker output
2. route the video Input player in vMix to bus A.
3. add an audio Input and route that to Master
4. set recording (and streaming) audio to vMix

After succeeding with this I got wild and crazy, ie went all the way (trying with headphones and soloing). Worked like a chaaaarm - before, during, and after recording.
Still have to looke into delays, but that is probably more tweaking and not a problem.

From the screenshot below (where Recording audio is set to vMix) it is quite appearant that the look is very complex. When live it is even worse, with a lot of meters jumping up and down. True, it is possible to collapse quite a few of the inputs/monitors. But even so, I will try to first get used to how things work. And then see how it might be simplified. But the point is that now I can mix audio externally, see and listen to what is actually happening in vMix in addition to listen at the external mixer.

Another thing is that I am even more convinced that (from other posts I have made):
- "Default" is misleading/vague when setting up audio devices
- vMix should tell the user that a re-start is necessary when it is

A couple of other things is that I don't know the meaning of "Deafault Audio bus", and that the pages in vMix's settings would benefit from a reorganization (eg one page for all audio related stuff.

To solve the delay problem this will need to be set to your audio input device.
Otherwise you will have a delay added when adding it as an input.

You can still add it as an input, just need to make sure none of the busses are enabled. (M,A,B all set to grey)

As I see a lot of users testing the new audio setup and trying different options I need
to repeat myself and make something absolutely clear.

If you will be sending any kind of audio out from vMix to an external mixer, the setting below MUST BE CHANGED
to your sound card input.

There will be feedback and delay issues if this setting is not changed from vMix Audio.



This will save you a lot of time and frustration.

So please test this under the correct setup so we can resolve issues there.

Thanks!

Your particular setup is a rare exception as you don't need to send audio from things like Stream input to the mixer.
If all you are sending is video clips, then that is fine as you can set a negative delay for those to compensate.

Negative audio delay is only available for inputs where we have access to future video in order to synchronise properly.
So, without access to a Time Machine this leaves only video file and audio file inputs.

Stream, Audio Input and Camera cannot have negative delays.