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Hi there, I'd like to show you my latest broadcast of women basketball top polish league. Best two teams in Poland (Wisła Can-Pack Kraków vs. CCC Polkowice) with stars from WNBA in their squads. Game was live on Youtube. EQUIPMENT: - Dell Precision laptop with vMix 12 on board - 1 consumer grade HD camera captured from Atomos Connect HDMI->SDI converter with Magewell USB3 SDI dongle - 1 cheap SD camera captured with cheap USB2.0 dongle - game and 24 seconds clock - Behringer XENYX 1202 mixer for 2 comentators, headphones with microphone - Avermedia LGP Mixing, showing lower thirds, replays (from 2nd quarter), streaming - done with vMix. Stream quality: @720p 25fps 2,5mbps (plus lower quality stream transcoded by YouTube) Recorded with Avermedia Live Gamer Portable 8mbps 720p. You can watch whole game here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDSOPJg3s6U3 highlights: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljyp1ngwzmISome pros (in my opinion): + 720p + new lower thirds with nice Stinger transition (look: www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDSOPJg3s6U @ 5:18, 10:37, 23:05, 1:40:22) + instant replay, highlights at the end of the game Some cons and problems: - problems with sound (specially in first half); need to change my headphones ;) - one camera only - even if its 720p image is not sharp during quick movement; better camera needed... :( - for the first time the web interface and api didn't work. i just couldn't connect to localhost:8088 and that made me huge problem in management the scoreboard Any questions or suggestions?
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Time to add 2nd game camera - close-up camera. It's so more dinamic now! And not that easy to manage instant replays... ;) Setup: - PC: i7-4790, 16 GB RAM, SSD, some ATI Radeon graphic card - Magewell 4xSDI capture card - 2 consumer cameras: old Sony HDR-SR12 (wide angle) + Canon Legria HF G30 (close up) - 2 Atomos HDMI => SDI converters - ah, 3rd camera for game-clock and shot-clock - PC headphones for commentator ;-) Tested today on league game. 1st half: http://www.dailymotion.c...ublin-81-56-i-polowa-41-2nd half: http://www.dailymotion.c...in-81-56-ii-polowa_sportAnd next week (12 Nov) we will produce Euroleague Game.
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Hi r@wisla, hi to all
- what system/software you use to convert images from the camera clock and shot clock in graphics?
thanks in advance, giulliu.
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giulliu wrote:Hi r@wisla, hi to all
- what system/software you use to convert images from the camera clock and shot clock in graphics?
thanks in advance, giulliu. Hi Are you asking how do I convert the tga files provided by basketball organization to png/xaml used in vmix? Or - you want to know how to match the clock camera live image to the scoreboard? Its done with vmix. + + + BTW, yesterday we streamed our 5th Woman Euroleague game. One of the games, in December was played in 13000 spectators venue (Kraków Arena). It was a 4 (+1 shotclock) camera broadcast with preview show - huge challange and experience. You can watch @ www.wisla.tv
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@ giulliu
I suspect the clock images are live (not converted), cropped and overlaid into the clock graphic with vMix's Multiview feature and virtual input feature.
Ice
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IceStream wrote: I suspect the clock images are live (not converted), cropped and overlaid (...)
...and color adjusted. i can check later what are the settings.
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Hi, thanks to all each one have solved part one and part two of my question!!! ;-))
I did not know that organizations basketball would provide a graphic file. Regarding Vmix multiview, everything is clear.
- Please explain to me, just as it does the acquisition of the graphic file to Vmix, in your case.
I suppose you have access to a PC organization, where is a .png file dynamically updated?
regards
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giulliu wrote:I did not know that organizations basketball would provide a graphic file. I mean graphics + specification & manuals. Not dynamically updated scoreboard etc... giulliu wrote:- Please explain to me, just as it does the acquisition of the graphic file to Vmix, in your case.
I suppose you have access to a PC organization, where is a .png file dynamically updated? Giulliu, We don't have dynamic png files, we are not connected to table referees PC nor statistics PC. I tried some solutions but so far it wasn't stable and efficient enough. We did scoreboard xaml file using vMix Title Designer, where scorebackground is a static png file, that we converted from TGA file provided by FIBA Europe. We update score, quarter and fouls manually with vMix and shortcuts. We discussed earlier shotclock and gameclock. P.S. Is this your production? www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlqvBU2xwc8
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@ r@wisla
thanks so mutch for your descriptive reply!!! for the yt video, no it's not mine. I'm tecnichan and I find solucion for production and other... at today I don't have any video on-line ;-)
I have built a machine functional use of vMix (in my opinion, the best video sw at today) and I see more solution and oportunity with it. I try to see the ocr tecnology and other Sportzcast and CGStatlink, but more expensive for the local use. The old/hard solution of one camera to scoreboard and other manual updates, seem to be the real solution for us.
it may be useful, these are the details of the assembled pc:
MB- MSI Z97 Gaming5 CPU- i7-4790 RAM- 2x8Gb Kingston HyperX 2400mhz HD SO- SSD Kingston HyperX 120GB HD Data- 2xSATA 1TB on MB Raid 0 GPU- MSI GTX 760 SD in- 1xAvermedia DarkCrystal SD X4 HD in- 2xBM Deklink Mini Recorder Monitor- 2xHKC 21,5" 1920x1080 itself foldable assembled and 12V powered on the PC case PS- 700W Cooler Master KB- Rapoo wireless kb + mouse KB- JamminPro PD12 + vMix Midi Mapper from ASVTV France (thanks guy) SO- Windows 8.1 Pro GPT SW- vMix HD
it works very well...
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r@wisla wrote:IceStream wrote: I suspect the clock images are live (not converted), cropped and overlaid (...)
...and color adjusted. i can check later what are the settings. Sorry for updating an old topic, anyway can someone explain me step by step how to get the clock from example 1 to example 2 (see the picture below). As I understood it can be done in vMix, or? (to easy to be true :D) Thanks
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With the Shot clock/Game clock, the best way is to capture the clock with a camera then insert it into a master shot/scoreboard as a Picture in Picture (PIP). There is too much action required on the 24 sec clock to do otherwise in basketball.
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@ mp There is 3rd party software that can help you do that (if you want to fork out the money for it): http://graphicsoutfitters.com/Check out "OCR Assist" or "ScoreOCR" on that page, they are both designed to process a video image of the actual game clock and convert it to the style and colour you want. (a slightly more complex and costly set-up than what r@wisla did with the clock video capture, but possible none-the-less) The alternative is to set-up your own "clocks" or "timers" with vMix Titler and/or a software like 'XNote Stopwatch', but that will require you to manually control them and that can be a very daunting task in the midst of a live production. Ice
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Thx, IceStream currently I use vMix scorebox with shortcuts (+1, -1) for the score and SD camcorder for my clock. Now I am creating a new xaml scoreboard with the clock incorporated, like r@wisla, that is why I asked :D
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mp, I don't know why you need how to get clock from example 1 to example 2, but this is my tutorial for example 2 clock. I think You will understand everything when you try it. You need transparent png scoreboard graphic + shot clock faced camera 1. Add input -> camera -> your shot clock camera. It should look like this (or more in a straight line to the front face of the shot clock board). 2. Change colour adjust and colour key. The way I did this is below. The most important in our example is saturation to -255 and luma key to max 3. Create with vMix Title Designer your scorebug xml. Here is ours, with png graphic as background and four fields: home name (gosp_name), away name, home score and away score 4. Add input -> Title/XAML -> your scorebug xml file. Go to properties (gear wheel icon) -> MultiView. Choose source 1 to your scoreboard camera input and then click position. 5. Crop the camera image, resize, place it right when you wan't it. Voila! r@wisla attached the following image(s): how-to-setup-shotclock1.jpg (78kb) downloaded 1 time(s). how-to-setup-shotclock2.jpg (190kb) downloaded 1 time(s). how-to-setup-shotclock3.jpg (189kb) downloaded 0 time(s). how-to-setup-shotclock4.jpg (88kb) downloaded 0 time(s). how-to-setup-shotclock5.jpg (129kb) downloaded 0 time(s).You cannot view/download attachments. Try to login or register.
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IceStream wrote:@ mp There is 3rd party software that can help you do that (if you want to fork out the money for it): http://graphicsoutfitters.com/Check out "OCR Assist" or "ScoreOCR" on that page, (...) It's nice and looks more like a pro to have clock like this but... - you need more time to setup - it creates latency. ocr shotclock graphics are always late. the only solution is to add latency to rest of video sources and it's not easy. I'm looking more for connecting vMix to scoreboard management system.
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mp wrote:currently I use vMix scorebox with shortcuts (+1, -1) for the score and SD camcorder for my clock. (...)
BTW, mp Here is example of our futsal scoreboard http://www.dailymotion.c...10-6-i-polowa-10-3_sport Are You going to broadcast UEFA Futsal Group 2 Main round tournament in Dobovec? :)
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First of all, thanks for taking your time r@wisla r@wisla wrote:mp, I don't know why you need how to get clock from example 1 to example 2 Your second example it is more pro :) It seems like you are connected to the scoreboard system. Nicely done. Lets say, that this is the way I want to do my next scoreboard :) r@wisla wrote: Are You going to broadcast UEFA Futsal Group 2 Main round tournament in Dobovec? :)
Still don't know. I was streaming last year tournament in Nova Gorica ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y89U33P9YZc) 2 camcorders, commentator, slow motions but it was SD, because I was working with my old laptop. This year they will maybe make an agreement with the local tv station. If they don't, it is my turn :)
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mp wrote:This year they will maybe make an agreement with the local tv station. If they don't, it is my turn :) Good luck :]
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Nicely done r@wisla! I did not realize both clock images were yours, nor would I have thought to use a luma key, looks good. My guess is the biggest issue is locating the camera to get a good view of the clock.
Not sure on the 'latency' of the GraphicsOutfitters products, they claim to be within 1/10 of a second for "no discernible margin of error" but I have no actual experience with it. Your solution, although maybe not as versatile for colour selection and 'anti-skewing', is much more affordable and 'do-able' with the right graphics.
Thanks for sharing.
Ice
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