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KeithB  
#1 Posted : Saturday, May 15, 2021 8:23:12 PM(UTC)
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When soloing any audio inputs, or buss, the audio is post fader so represents the actual level setting.
In the case of the master output, the level is pre fader. Not sure why.
This led to an error on a web cast where the master mix was heard in the headphones but the master fader was down so no audio to the live stream!

The ask here is set master audio monitoring to post fader. (or an explanation as to what the benefit is to a pre fade master)

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#2 Posted : Monday, August 2, 2021 1:36:34 AM(UTC)
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This led to an error on a web cast where the master mix was heard in the headphones but the master fader was down so no audio to the live stream!


We had the exact same issue yesterday streaming our church service. Was listening to the monitor audio and thought everything was ok. The master was muted so our viewers heard nothing and were posting like crazy that there was no audio. Was really short handed so it took a while to realize the problem and even longer to realize that the master was muted.

Would REALLY love for the monitor to be post all audio processing so we can hear what the viewers will be hearing.

gyarnell  
#3 Posted : Thursday, December 2, 2021 3:59:46 AM(UTC)
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Yes, same problem. We have to watch the visual output level indicator to try to balance our streamed output. Monitor via headphones doesn't help.
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, May 18, 2022 7:31:14 AM(UTC)
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I figured out a work-around to this problem. We have a pretty simple setup, so the work-around may not work if your setup is more complex.

Inputs:
PTZ Camera
Audio mixer board
Powerpoint slides
MP4 video

I ended up connecting all audio inputs to channel A as well as the Master output. I configured channel A output to a set of headphones. Enabling channel A adds its fader to the internal mixer. I configured the Master and channel A outputs identically using the Gear, and set their faders to the same levels.

Since our setup is pretty simple, we balance the individual mics attached to the sound board on the sound board. I can now adjust the sound board input slider and monitor vMix output using the channel A headphones. Same goes for the audio level from the MP4 video input.

Greg Y.
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#5 Posted : Friday, May 9, 2025 10:27:26 PM(UTC)
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#6 Posted : Saturday, May 10, 2025 2:14:36 AM(UTC)
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This is an old thread and PFL (pre fader) was introduced in v27.
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I use a button on the stream deck with an activator to get the master audio status and adding a shortcut master audio is easy to see and resolve.
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, May 21, 2025 4:37:00 AM(UTC)
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This is an old thread and PFL (pre fader) was introduced in v27.


How does the addition of PFL relate to an option to make the master headphone output be post fader audio?
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, May 21, 2025 5:52:24 AM(UTC)
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I use a button on the stream deck with an activator to get the master audio status and adding a shortcut master audio is easy to see and resolve.


That doesn't solve the issue...we need the ability to listen to master out from the headphone output where the mix is not all the assigned input pre-fader. It makes no sense if we can solo channels and listen PFL to channels individually, and the master headphones output is all inputs assigned to master, but still prefader level. IMHO Master out listen should always be post fader level, so you are listening to what it actually being send to master.
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, October 8, 2025 2:12:11 AM(UTC)
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This just bit me on a show. I had always considered the headphones to be like a mixing console headphones, which is a post fader monitor of mains (selectable on some consoles) with the ability to solo inputs for monitoring.

At no point have I encountered anywhere else, a monitor output that was pre fade on master unless selected, all default to pre.

On a show, I had to mute master to keep open mics from stream, at that time I didn't notice that I was still hearing inputs, as my headphones were off. Later when I came back to next session, I could hear music, etc, so I assumed the stream and records did as well. They did not.

Headphones should be master post fade, unless master is solo'd.

Feature request:

Headphones output DEFAULTS to master post fader, unless bus/inputs are solo'd
Master has an added SOLO button for pre-fade listen in case output needs to be muted.

None of these requests are solved by former pre fader option additions.
mormiguel  
#11 Posted : Thursday, March 26, 2026 3:53:33 AM(UTC)
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Hello,

This is super weird because I have been using Vmix for years and I have been able to listen to the audio from the master bus but today I couldn't and it started working as TracyPeterson says: the headphone output is pre-fader of the master output.

What could have changed? Should the audiodevices of the master and headphones in the "audio ouput" section be different?

Anyone has been able to solve this?
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#12 Posted : Thursday, March 26, 2026 6:31:01 AM(UTC)
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Master Output


Select the output to send the Master audio mix to. This is the default audio mix

used for streaming, recording and external output.


Headphones


Select the output to send the Headphones audio mix to.


This mix is the same as Master Output except when Solo is enabled on an input.

When Solo is enabled on an input only that input will be heard.
knbPixels  
#13 Posted : Saturday, March 28, 2026 12:16:24 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: elvis55 Go to Quoted Post
Master Output


Select the output to send the Master audio mix to. This is the default audio mix

used for streaming, recording and external output.


Headphones


Select the output to send the Headphones audio mix to.


This mix is the same as Master Output except when Solo is enabled on an input.

When Solo is enabled on an input only that input will be heard.




Yes that is how it is currently designed to work, which is not in dispute. So how does one have the option of listening to the Master level from the headphones output and have a true ability to monitor it, if the headphone output is pre-fader level of the master? The only way to listen to the actual Master output and take the Master level gain into account is to listen to it outside of vMix. Show me a single audio console where you can't monitor the main output post fader. There's a reason for it.
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#14 Posted : Monday, May 11, 2026 1:45:49 AM(UTC)
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Hi all,

In assessing this feature request, it would be helpful to know more about your workflows and why specifically you need to lower the Master volume level in the first place?
Consider the following scenarios:

Reducing Master Volume Level
In general, this level should almost always be left at 100% to maximise the volume level for streams and recordings.
If the level happens to be peaking, this should be resolved at the source, not lowered at Master.

Muting Master Volume through Fader
If you need to lower to 0, use Mute instead as doing so allows you to still monitor the audio via Headphones in much the same way as PFL.

Confidence Monitoring
If you need Headphones to match Master in order to ensure audio is going out, consider using the existing Volume Alert instead, as this is more robust.
https://www.vmix.com/help29/Alerts.html

We would be interested in hearing scenarios in addition to the above to better understand what this feature would solve.

Thanks!
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#15 Posted : Tuesday, May 12, 2026 12:44:40 AM(UTC)
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Hi all,

In assessing this feature request, it would be helpful to know more about your workflows and why specifically you need to lower the Master volume level in the first place?
Consider the following scenarios:

Reducing Master Volume Level
In general, this level should almost always be left at 100% to maximise the volume level for streams and recordings.
If the level happens to be peaking, this should be resolved at the source, not lowered at Master.

Muting Master Volume through Fader
If you need to lower to 0, use Mute instead as doing so allows you to still monitor the audio via Headphones in much the same way as PFL.

Confidence Monitoring
If you need Headphones to match Master in order to ensure audio is going out, consider using the existing Volume Alert instead, as this is more robust.
https://www.vmix.com/help29/Alerts.html

We would be interested in hearing scenarios in addition to the above to better understand what this feature would solve.

Thanks!



If we are not intended to adjust the master level output, then why have the ability to do it in the first place? If the functionality is there, it's there for a reason, and that reason is that there may be times when you need to adjust it on the fly. If your headphones listening to master doesn't reflect the change in master volume, then it's not a true monitoring source. Look at every physical mixer out there. You always have the ability to monitor post fader.

I'll give you a quick example...I run a complex show where I have 30 or more preset zoom inputs for specific people. One of those people comes in with their mic super hot one day because they have their own dumb rodecaster mixer they like to play with. I can either 1. quickly turn down the master a bit until I am clear to go find their input and adjust it in the audio mixer, or 2. scroll through my dozens of inputs and go find it in the mixer and turn it down there directly, making the audience put up with the poor audio in the meantime.

That's just one example of why someone would want to adjust the master volume. Appreciate everything you guys do and hope this feature comes to pass.
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