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greggibson  
#81 Posted : Tuesday, October 17, 2023 7:59:30 AM(UTC)
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I currently use Zoom Rooms and bring audio/video into vMix using NDI. With vMix 27, it is better to continue using NDI with Zoom, or better to use the new native integration from vMix?


I believe the idea here is to replace the use of Zoom Rooms with the vMix integration. Ideally there should be no reason to run Zoom Rooms once vMix 27 is stable.
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#82 Posted : Tuesday, October 17, 2023 8:06:03 AM(UTC)
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Is there a way with Zoom integration - or any plans to include - a way to bring in the muxed audio from the meeting in order to hear people in the meeting who are not pinned? You may not need to include that audio in the program, but you often need to hear non-participant staff during pre/post show. Or sometimes someone dials in with audio that is separate from their video so they are not sending an ISO audio feed, so utilizing the muxed audio is the only way to hear them.


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#83 Posted : Tuesday, October 17, 2023 8:14:11 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mkrigsman Go to Quoted Post
I currently use Zoom Rooms and bring audio/video into vMix using NDI. With vMix 27, it is better to continue using NDI with Zoom, or better to use the new native integration from vMix?


I believe the idea here is to replace the use of Zoom Rooms with the vMix integration. Ideally there should be no reason to run Zoom Rooms once vMix 27 is stable.


That would be nice, but unless I'm mistaken, the only way to get HD video into Zoom currently is with a Zoom Rooms license. I use Zoom Pro and can't get anything other than 640x360 video, in both directions. I've read on the Zoom support forums that if you enable group HD in your account, and fullscreen on both the host and the client then it will give you HD. I've done that and could never go above 640x360 video.
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#84 Posted : Tuesday, October 17, 2023 9:34:11 AM(UTC)
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Kross,

Just to refine what you said, zoom Business and Enterprise accounts have had HD and FHD available for the past few years and are not limited to 360p. As such, my group uses 1080p regularly. It is my understanding that some Pro licenses are having HD (720p) enabled these days.
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#85 Posted : Tuesday, October 17, 2023 10:20:28 AM(UTC)
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Kross,

Just to refine what you said, zoom Business and Enterprise accounts have had HD and FHD available for the past few years and are not limited to 360p. As such, my group uses 1080p regularly. It is my understanding that some Pro licenses are having HD (720p) enabled these days.


Yes, but Zoom Business starts at $1999 per year (because 10 user minimum). I'm not paying that just to get HD video! :)
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#86 Posted : Tuesday, October 17, 2023 11:38:43 AM(UTC)
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Yes, but Zoom Business starts at $1999 per year (because 10 user minimum). I'm not paying that just to get HD video! :)


There are ways to get 1080 - or at least 720 - enabled on your account without that type of investment. I suggest you start with an email to Zoom support making your case on why you are worthy of receiving it. Zoom also recently announced that you can get 1080 on a basic webinar license.

That said- and I could be wrong - but the video pins via the SDK may be 1080 capable regardless of your license.

The biggest downer of 1080 Zoom access is realizing how few Zoom callers have 1080 capable cameras.

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#87 Posted : Tuesday, October 17, 2023 11:49:45 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: greggibson Go to Quoted Post
Zoom integration - Zoom can't seem to decipher two users logged in with the same name. It will only show video from the first login, although it will list the name twice. Renaming has no impact unless you disconnect vMix from the Zoom session and then reconnect. On reconnect it will show correct names.


Yes, this is a requirement of Zoom support in vMix as there is no way to uniquely identify reliably otherwise between different sessions and meetings.
We will make sure the documentation notes to make sure all participants have unique names.
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#88 Posted : Tuesday, October 17, 2023 12:03:54 PM(UTC)
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That said- and I could be wrong - but the video pins via the SDK may be 1080 capable regardless of your license.


Ok I got clarification on this. Max resolution is tied to the owner of the account hosting the meeting. So resolution does depend on your Zoom account type. Or your clients. Whomever is hosting.
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#89 Posted : Tuesday, October 17, 2023 12:12:42 PM(UTC)
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Important note regarding Zoom HD support, even if you have a HD supported plan, you will still need to contact Zoom support and ask them to enable HD support on their end as it is not automatic.

It is not overly clear on the Zoom web site, but is still a requirement.

https://support.zoom.us/...086-Using-Group-HD-video

Additionally, the HD support is set based on the account of the user hosting the Zoom meeting. Other participants, even those without paid Zoom accounts can be setup with HD as long as the Zoom host has it enabled.


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#90 Posted : Tuesday, October 17, 2023 6:14:27 PM(UTC)
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vMix 27.0.0.44 Beta Released!

https://cdn.vmix.com/download/vmix27preview.exe
https://www.vmix.com/zoomplugindownload

Changes

* Fixed issue with Zoom audio when buses C-G are enabled.
* %/db tooltip now activates when using shortcuts on faders in addition to the mouse.

Audio Experiments

We thought we might enable some new audio features we have been tinkering with to get your feedback:

* Audio Bus Manager -> Found in the hamburger menu. Allow setting buses on/off for all inputs in one place.
* Bus Mixer -> Control Input volumes for each Bus independently
* PFL Mode -> Enable PFL mode on inputs to change Solo to monitor prior to the fader being applied.

Further information is available in the documentation.
https://www.vmix.com/help27/

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#91 Posted : Tuesday, October 17, 2023 10:09:32 PM(UTC)
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I use an Intel Arc A750 GPU. when inserting a media source video I get a black screen but the sound is normal on vmix 27.
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#92 Posted : Tuesday, October 17, 2023 10:37:10 PM(UTC)
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Kross,
Yes, but Zoom Business starts at $1999 per year (because 10 user minimum). I'm not paying that just to get HD video! :)


I understand, and the only reason I clarified and added some other options is because you said

"...but unless I'm mistaken, the only way to get HD video into Zoom currently is with a Zoom Rooms license."
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#93 Posted : Wednesday, October 18, 2023 12:43:12 AM(UTC)
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When you add multiple Zoom inputs, these will default to the first participant only and will connect retrieve the raw feed for that participant once regardless.
When you right click inputs and change the participant, only then will it request that feed, and disconnect from any it no longer needs.


Maybe I'm unique, in that I'm "one man banding" vMix as host and producer, but is there any chance there can be a Settings option to change this behavior to fill in the inputs as people join? Even if it doesn't ignore users with no video/audio, that would still be a lot easier than needing to manually select participants, as I'm extremely limited in what manipulations I can make with a mouse on show days, with everything else I have to handle.

That combined with a vMix shortcut to end the meeting (when joined as host) would make this a lot easier to use for those of us wearing all the hats.

Needing to manually select participants makes this a non-starter for my workflow, unfortunately.
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#94 Posted : Wednesday, October 18, 2023 1:25:35 AM(UTC)
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Thanks for adding these. I was in much need of them,


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vMix 27.0.0.44 Beta Released!

https://cdn.vmix.com/download/vmix27preview.exe
https://www.vmix.com/zoomplugindownload

Changes

* Fixed issue with Zoom audio when buses C-G are enabled.
* %/db tooltip now activates when using shortcuts on faders in addition to the mouse.

Audio Experiments

We thought we might enable some new audio features we have been tinkering with to get your feedback:

* Audio Bus Manager -> Found in the hamburger menu. Allow setting buses on/off for all inputs in one place.
* Bus Mixer -> Control Input volumes for each Bus independently
* PFL Mode -> Enable PFL mode on inputs to change Solo to monitor prior to the fader being applied.

Further information is available in the documentation.
https://www.vmix.com/help27/



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#95 Posted : Wednesday, October 18, 2023 1:32:11 AM(UTC)
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@admin

This is a great start, * %/db tooltip now activates when using shortcuts on faders in addition to the mouse.

But could you make it so when you turn the dial it shows up on the screen on the stream deck above the dial. This is what would be handy as your looking at the dial not the screen when adjusting it.
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#96 Posted : Wednesday, October 18, 2023 5:04:04 AM(UTC)
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Zoom audio routing definitely fixed. No issues getting audio in with Bus C enabled. Music also sounds great. No echo cancellation on it.

Still need a way to hear other audio in the meeting besides just the ISO pins. For a stand-alone app, you really need to be able to hear all of the participants in a meeting without having to pin them as an input, so there needs to be a way to create an input of the full muxed audio from the meeting. Otherwise you still have to run another Zoom instance somewhere else.

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#97 Posted : Wednesday, October 18, 2023 6:29:29 AM(UTC)
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Testing with the new ability to adjust audio for each input per bus and its AMAZING!!! This is a much needed feature add for production. Thanks vMix.
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#98 Posted : Wednesday, October 18, 2023 6:32:08 AM(UTC)
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Testing with the new ability to adjust audio for each input per bus and its AMAZING!!! This is a much needed feature add for production. Thanks vMix.


Yes the Bus Mix feature is SUPER useful! As is the Audio Bus Manager tool. Thank you!
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#99 Posted : Wednesday, October 18, 2023 6:36:41 AM(UTC)
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Regarding the need to hear the full muxed audio in a Zoom meeting, the inclusion of an Active Speaker pin might be a work around for that, or the ability for the full Zoom meeting audio to be an option in the Audio Inputs list.

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#100 Posted : Wednesday, October 18, 2023 6:58:20 AM(UTC)
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The vMix Social integration with Zoom is also working very well.

As mentioned previously, in order for Social to truly be useful, we need the ability to log Social into a different meeting than the one pinned speakers are participating in. Most of us using a Zoom workflow stage the speakers separately from the audience, then broadcast a vMix packaged feed into a different meeting or webinar where the audience resides. The number one pushback on a vMix-type production into Zoom is that the speakers have no direct access to the audience chat and QA and we have to incorporate clunky work arounds to provide this information.

I understand there is a limitation with the SDK in that you may not be able to have two instances of it running...and if that's the case I am wondering if the Social app could be modified so that you could run it on a second vMix instance that is connected to the audience session, but send the data it gathers to the primary instance where it can be incorporated into the production? Or perhaps Social could become a stand-alone app that runs by itself on another machine, and the data it gathers can be shared by other vMix instances.

I would happily pay extra for a stand-alone social app that can gather this kind of data and distribute to one or multiple vMix instances.

Thanks for listening.

Greg
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