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niemi  
#1 Posted : Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:00:49 AM(UTC)
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Is it somehow possible to hook up one keyboard and have it switch sources on two independent vMix machines simultaneously?

This would provide great redundancy.
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#2 Posted : Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:54:45 AM(UTC)
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Hi Niemi

it's possible to create a web page with buttons that would send the same commands to 2 vMix.

It's also possible to use vMixUTC that supports keypress triggering. In this case you need to use the widget called "Multi State" in your project to sync commands over 2 vMix.

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#3 Posted : Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:29:37 PM(UTC)
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A kvm switch might also be a solution.
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#4 Posted : Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:47:34 PM(UTC)
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A kvm switch might also be a solution.


Interesting... Do you have a model reference for this?
AFAIK KVM "switches" work for a single computer at the same time
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#5 Posted : Thursday, February 23, 2017 3:01:38 PM(UTC)
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Since it's for redundancy only, in case of a crash, the switch can be switched with the touch of a button to the second computer, no?
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#6 Posted : Thursday, February 23, 2017 3:44:38 PM(UTC)
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I didn't understand it was for crash situation but for simultaneous operations.

Another solution would be to use a midi control device connected to both computers via a USB hub.
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#7 Posted : Thursday, February 23, 2017 4:52:17 PM(UTC)
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Thanks guys.

If you are using a single vMix system to do everything - switch, record and live stream, then a system failure becomes very serious.

If you can produce on two vMix systems simultaneously, then a single system failure would be unnoticeable. You would have an intact recording and - provided that your live stream provider has two server entry points with seamless failover - your stream would still be running without any interruption.

A MIDI control device connected to both computers is interesting, as are your other suggestions DWAM.

Do you know of any MIDI control device similar to this USB-keyboard? http://xkeys.com/xkeys/xk24.php

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#8 Posted : Thursday, February 23, 2017 5:05:21 PM(UTC)
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If you want a real safe solution then you need at least a 3 points workflow where cameras are distributed (by a vMix with NDI or a video router) to 2 vMix. Otherwise when your cams are only connected to 1 vMix and pushing inputs to the second one, then you are most likely to encounter an issue on the first one which makes the second useless...

BTW I use vMix for 4 years now and I never had an issue.

There are plenty of midi devices used with vMix like Akai APC Mini for example
Check the forum and the documentation http://www.vmix.com/help18/KeyboardShortcuts.html
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#9 Posted : Thursday, February 23, 2017 5:12:23 PM(UTC)
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DWAM wrote:
If you want a real safe solution then you need at least a 3 points workflow where cameras are distributed (by a vMix with NDI or a video router) to 2 vMix.


That is what we do already. Every camera source is distributed with a AJA 3GDA SDI distribution.

I now just need the most reliable and comfortable way to switch between sources on both vMix PC's.
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#10 Posted : Friday, February 24, 2017 5:25:16 AM(UTC)
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DWAM wrote:

Another solution would be to use a midi control device connected to both computers via a USB hub.
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There are plenty of midi devices used with vMix like Akai APC Mini for example


DWAM, I don't believe a USB device (say the Akai APC Mini) connected to a USB hub will do trick. At least not the USB-hubs that I'm familiar with, which will simply add additional USB-ports to the one system it is connected to.

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I'm looking for a single key press to trigger the same command on two vMix systems.
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#11 Posted : Friday, February 24, 2017 5:30:58 AM(UTC)
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http://www.usbgear.com/USB20_4port_SHARING_Hub/

There are plenty of equivalent models

It's even possible to share a usb hard-disk over multiple computers so I don't see why a midi controller would not work.

There are also midi replicators over IP. When computer A reveives a command it replicates it to another destination... There plenty of solutions to do it
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#12 Posted : Friday, February 24, 2017 5:40:59 AM(UTC)
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and in the end if you look at this picture which was one of my setups for a congress, you see I have my laptop and my desktop keyboard next to each other so that I could switch both vMix a the same time with my 2 hands ! ;o)
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#13 Posted : Friday, February 24, 2017 5:43:39 AM(UTC)
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A sharing hub doesn't allow both PC's to access the USB-device at the same time. Quite similar to the KVM-switch mentioned earlier.
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#14 Posted : Friday, February 24, 2017 5:46:20 AM(UTC)
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DWAM wrote:
and in the end if you look at this picture which was one of my setups for a congress, you see I have my laptop and my desktop keyboard next to each other so that I could switch both vMix a the same time with my 2 hands ! ;o)


Thank's DWAM. This is what I'm looking to do, but with one hand - one keyboard.
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#15 Posted : Friday, February 24, 2017 6:33:37 AM(UTC)
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Maybe the easiest solution is to use vMixUTC anyway as it's meant to do it by default and it allows to do all the switching, the media control and the titles selections from a single point without the need to create a lot of shortcuts on both vMix computers...
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#17 Posted : Friday, February 24, 2017 4:23:20 PM(UTC)
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DWAM wrote:
Maybe the easiest solution is to use vMixUTC anyway as it's meant to do it by default and it allows to do all the switching, the media control and the titles selections from a single point without the need to create a lot of shortcuts on both vMix computers...


I like it. A lot.

I have created a basic vMixUTC project with basic functionality such as:

Code:
Start / Stop Recording
Start / Stop Streaming
CUT to input 1
CUT to input 2


I have vMixUTC running localhost on the same laptop as vMix now, but will test it on a dedicated machine tomorrow with Multi State.

This will be my simple setup:

Dedicated vMixUTC laptop
vMix encoder 1
vMix encoder 2
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I like it. A lot.


Good! Me too...
I guess you probably found the tutorials I wrote to get started... Just in case:
https://forums.vmix.com/....aspx?g=posts&t=9393

It's very powerful...

Concerning what you did, for some functions, tick the state dependent option to get "tally-like" leds for status. Ex: recording, streaming, overlays, etc...

Also if you need, I can tell you how to add functions (especially for media management). They're not included by default (play, pause, restart, etc...)

Have fun!
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#19 Posted : Friday, February 24, 2017 6:24:08 PM(UTC)
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FYI, vMixUTC runs perfectly on a windows 10 tablet which is really cool for production: switching on a touch screen is really cool!
However, the touch feature is not very convenient for building the interface so it's better to develop the project on a regular PC and simply move the .VMC file on the tablet later on.
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#20 Posted : Friday, February 24, 2017 9:10:29 PM(UTC)
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Keystroke over LAN is fairly doable:

http://www.wideview.it/key2lan.htm


Also pretty sure that Auto Hot Key will do it as well.
https://autohotkey.com/b...ip-based-remote-control/
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