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kjones9999  
#1 Posted : Monday, March 14, 2016 6:59:14 PM(UTC)
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Hi everyone. I work with a friend doing baseball games over the radio, and we have lately used vmix to add a webcam just to see the action of the game from home plate. It works ok, but as you can see the video from the webcam is noticeably choppy:



Would really like a smooth, 1080 ip camera preferable with POE so we can do all of this via cat5. And price is a concern. I see a lot of security cameras out there that would seem to work, but the choices are so many, I really would like a suggestion from someone that has one, has it working with vmix and the video is smooth. Wide angle is also a must.

Any suggestions?
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#2 Posted : Monday, March 14, 2016 9:31:30 PM(UTC)
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Just curious why a POE webcam?

A 1080 consumer camcorder is not that expensive and a USB HDMI capture card would be $500-600 max. and provide a much smoother feed. A consumer camcorder and a USB composite card (such as EZ cap) could be $200-$300 and leave an upgrade path. If distance from the switcher is an issue, I have had good luck with reasonably priced video baluns and cat6 cables.

Again, just curious why the webcam?
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#3 Posted : Monday, March 14, 2016 10:08:13 PM(UTC)
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Hey Ed. Thanks for the response. The reason is we need HD, we have to do a laptop because of all the other equipment, but the main reason is we dont have power anywhere near where the cam needs to be... We use an 82 foot usb cable that is provides the power and the signal.
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, March 15, 2016 2:19:48 AM(UTC)
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@kjones9999

If you have a camera in mind with no POE, use a POE injector. TP Link, Linksys, etc. all make them.

Also, something such as this low priced cam might work for what you describe. There certainly are better, more expensive solutions.

http://www.trendnet.com/...-ip311pi#tabs-solution02
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, March 15, 2016 9:21:19 AM(UTC)
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@ kjones9999

I am curious to know if the "choppiness" is observable in the live vMix 'Program' screen or if it is just noticeable in the recording or live stream?


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#6 Posted : Tuesday, March 15, 2016 6:12:45 PM(UTC)
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Its looks the same in the program screen as it does on the recorded link above. its a logitech webcam.
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, March 15, 2016 10:00:37 PM(UTC)
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@ kjones9999

What are the specs of your PC?
I can't help but think that it is more of a processing or bandwidth issue than a camera issue.
How does the picture look with the Logitech software?
I'm not trying to dissuade you from exploring other options, I would just hate for you to invest in something only to discover that it doesn't resolve the original issue.


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#8 Posted : Tuesday, March 15, 2016 10:41:28 PM(UTC)
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Thanks Ice.
its an i5, plenty of ram, decent video card. 10% CPU and 7ms render time. I have tried it on other systems and its all pretty choppy. Sportsnet -- thanks for the link. I may give it a try.
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#9 Posted : Thursday, March 17, 2016 4:15:46 PM(UTC)
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Your YouTube clip is consistent with using a webcam at 1080p. This problem is dead common. It's typically the result of the webcam be left at default encoding, which is typically uncompressed YUY2. You simply can't pass 1080p30 over a USB 2.0 link, so the frame rate drops. The camera may even fail to deliver video.

If you are using a webcam with an on-board encoder change the source encoding setting in vMix to MJPG. That will allow you to achieve 1080p30 without stutter or latency. This is how I typically use the Logitech C920, C930, BCC950 or PTZ Pro.

MJPG encoding is part of UVC 1.1 which is ages old. Some cameras support it without even mentioning it. For example, I'm just now trialing an AVer Information CAM520 PTZ camera. It supports both MJPEG and H.264.

H.264 sounds nice in theory but adds considerable delay because it's encoding the video to long-GOP.

I have also used the Grandstream GXV3672-FHD Bullet cameras with vMix.

They're 1080p capable and run from P.O.E and cost under $200. They come with fixed wide (3.6mm) or narrow (7mm) field of view lenses.

You can run many things from P.O.E. using a POE splitter. I've recently used one to run a Raspberry Pi as a streaming media player.

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#10 Posted : Thursday, March 17, 2016 6:55:18 PM(UTC)
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mjgraves wrote:


If you are using a webcam with an on-board encoder change the source encoding setting in vMix to MJPG. That will allow you to achieve 1080p30 without stutter or latency. This is how I typically use the Logitech C920, C930, BCC950 or PTZ Pro.



Great tip Michael. Certainly makes a webcam appear much smoother on screen.
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#11 Posted : Friday, March 18, 2016 3:10:31 PM(UTC)
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One my friend who helping me in leading IPTV (technical aspects) has try using vMix with relatively cheap sonny security cameras – Results are great – We will now check rest of cheaper Sonny cameras for this – I am preparing real time broadcasting for one event in next few months and this will be ideal – At the moment this camera is around 400-500 euros – I don’t have exact specifications for camera but i will have it in next few days – I am delighted because of this
Now i want to test if with different cameras plus to see will i have “bottle neck” and where – I don’t need HD or full HD cameras and streaming but i surely want to test everything before i put it to production
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@mjgraves- I'm trying to use a Logitech PTZ Pro USB webcam, but the input is glitch. I changed the source encoding to MJPG but it's still choppy and glitchy. Any other suggestions?
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We currently use 2 Hikvision IP PTZ cameras with great results. I have used many of their cameras ranging from $200 - $1500 and they all work great for streaming. I dont know the size or style of camera you want but this bullet camera ( http://www.hikvision.com...ducts_1_10534_i7721.html ) also has remote 2.8 - 12mm Zoom Focus that you can control through a web browser. It is PoE or 12VDC all for about $300 -$350. They have cheaper fixed lens cameras as well. Hope this helps
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#14 Posted : Tuesday, June 27, 2017 5:01:38 PM(UTC)
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@mjgraves- I'm trying to use a Logitech PTZ Pro USB webcam, but the input is glitch. I changed the source encoding to MJPG but it's still choppy and glitchy. Any other suggestions?


It should be smooth. That camera is definitely capable of smooth 720p30 or 1080p30 when using MJPEG encoding.

I'd suggest that you try to make certain that the camera is not on a USB port shared with another webcam or high-traffic device.
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#15 Posted : Tuesday, June 27, 2017 5:05:06 PM(UTC)
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kjones9999 wrote:
Would really like a smooth, 1080 ip camera preferable with POE so we can do all of this via cat5. And price is a concern. I see a lot of security cameras out there that would seem to work, but the choices are so many, I really would like a suggestion from someone that has one, has it working with vmix and the video is smooth. Wide angle is also a must.

Any suggestions?


While I still like the Grandstream cameras that I have around those home & office, I've recently found that the folks who frequent https://ipcamtalk.com/forums/ have a ton of experience to share.

They may not have any experience in streaming production, but they often care deeply about the core camera performance, especially in low-light.
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