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Siroki  
#1 Posted : Thursday, January 7, 2016 1:10:06 PM(UTC)
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The scoreboards are most important thing for almost everyone who is streaming live because a lot of people stream sport events. I think the new release of vMix should have a special module for scoreboards. I work on soccer and basketball games so I can speak only for that type of sport.

The special module would be great. When you open the scoreboard that it pops out and can be controled on second monitor. Great thing would be if there could be connection like vMix so you can control it over laptop (second device).

So, my opinion for scoreboard and what should it have are next:
- text field for home and away team
- score buttons(+1 +2 +3)
- timer (start time, end time/ up or down counting) with button start/stop/pause/reset
- few scoreboard designes that are on dropdown list
- logo field (option)

I can design and draw what I mean it should look like if you are interested and I can help with scoreboard designs. You can see my custom desing for soccer pack (http://forums.vmix.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=21828)

I made a preview what I mean:

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Hope you'll like it.
The feedback from another users would be great
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#2 Posted : Thursday, January 7, 2016 2:36:19 PM(UTC)
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Ahum,can't resist.

Saying that scoreboards are the most important thing for almost everyone sounds a bit like a stretch IMO and to base this on sports like soccer and basketball shortsighted.

There are so many sports where complecity and time one has to update elements are way more dificult than that and yet vMix makes it possible from achieve life updates to on screen results.
Imagine a few hundred performers who do their performance one after the other within one minute from each other includig a performaner data ,timer , get a score on their performance during said performance ( faults ) and a ranking result the moment an individual's performance ends for example . Possible with what vMix has to offer and not by manually editing the title.

we have options to greate own titles with data fields
we can manually change data in those fields
BUT we can also update that data from various sources to make it more specific or easyer even automate (calculate) lot of things.

So the special module will still need to be created for most of us who don't cover "popular" sports or other datarich events in general.

But one can with vMix !

Before I discoverd vMix I stumbled on casparcg and was impressed with the data controlers (clients) many created to get data in titels ( or scoreboards). When I stumbled on vMix I discovered this could be done with vmix too be it from same computer , second computer and more. in short titles ( scoreboards) can be udated with shortcuts ( for values for example) , manually , selecting from a list but most important all the same things can be controlled externally using custom controllers sending the needed data (see API)

The problem is not in vMix but IMO the small amount of such examples and uses found here and initially the differenc between updating flash titles versus xaml titles and its effects possible (animations)

Vmix just can not cover all sort of sports or type of events and its specifics but it lets you create your own which IMO is the biggest asset vMix has apart fromm the main thing being the video side of things.

just my opinion


ps example of soccer clients for casparcg

http://www.simplescorebug.com/



ps2 your graphics look cool
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#3 Posted : Thursday, January 7, 2016 3:31:26 PM(UTC)
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Like I wrote, I can't say for other sports like american football because I don't know how it goes/ the rules and needs for scoreboard. And my graphic is only example. I look over the internet for years and know for a lot of scoreboards like the one you paste the link. But did you look a price for Soccer? It costs 250$ and vMix HD licence is 350$..

My suggestion is not for everything, if you see the graphics that I post its only team names, score and countdown. Thats what vMix already has just not like special modul or like I draw. Already there is team names, background (design), timer, play, pause, duration, reverse etc those are main features for every sport. Just changing the scoreboard design and few buttons would help many people who stream different sports. The left side menu for different sport should be almost the same like this for soccer. Only different would be a scoreboard designs and for example in basketball the score button should be +1 +2 +3, for am football +1 +2 +3 +6 (for touchdown) etc etc

It would be great if there is something like this, it would be useful and its not anything new, just little different designed.

It also doesnt need to be like I draw, there doesnt need to be left menu with different sports, just like its now but like I draw. Universal scoreboard with few changes.

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#4 Posted : Thursday, January 7, 2016 4:22:51 PM(UTC)
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Understand the pricing (most common popular sports ? ;-) ), but not regarding the vMix one in relation to the scoreboard clients. no idea how american football works either.


There are in fact are various examples of such clients (casparcg has one on their main site with sourcecode to give you an idea)

in its most basic form one can create a form with some buttons in it to send data ( or score) to a title (yes loaded on second laptop in same network or second monitor) sending a httprequest with appropriate API code (same as shortcuts)

Titles (templates)are one thing getting the wanted data into them is the other or where one can make ones life easyer

Just saying currently vMix makes it possible for any form of data one needs to get on screen in a userspecific fashion.

example directly from excel

http://www.forums.vmix.com.au/d...ts&m=12905#post12905

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#5 Posted : Friday, January 8, 2016 3:22:20 PM(UTC)
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Hi!

Spent some time and made plugin for vMix, that loads standart title (or scoreboard), and brings some scoreboard interface to it, I can improve this or share source code, if anyone needs it.

There are only small changes to original titles/scoreboards: you need tag TextBlock as "Team" or "Score" by setting it's Tag property to "Team{team number}" or "Score{team number}". You can have as many Teams as you want. I put an example in attached archive.

One limitation is that you can't change text via vMix standart TitleEditor, because it breaks bindings =(
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#6 Posted : Friday, January 8, 2016 5:00:34 PM(UTC)
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@elgarf
I made graphic for this and thats exactly what I was thinking and suggest to vMix. Something like you did just with timer and timer settings

Are you good in programming? Can you make this kind of a module that I draw earlier? Can we make some partnership on this project?

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#7 Posted : Friday, January 8, 2016 10:04:24 PM(UTC)
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I have developed a interface that runs inside a browser for scoring graphics. It is currently developed for football, basketball and rugby.

I can make this available online so you can load from your browser. It will then connect to vMix XAML templates.
here is the screenshot of the Interface running in a browser.
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#8 Posted : Saturday, January 9, 2016 2:07:30 AM(UTC)
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@Siroki

I can make almost everything from your mockup, except "Scoreboard design" list, it's because vMix reads in/out animations only for first loading of title, so if I load another title dynamically, it's in/out animations doesn't happens.

This limitations are because my vMixWpfScoreboardLoader is just an advanced title.

Btw what's difference between soccer, basketball, tennis scoreboards, can it be controlled by one type of scoreboard controller?
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#9 Posted : Saturday, January 9, 2016 5:24:33 AM(UTC)
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elgarf wrote:
@Siroki

I can make almost everything from your mockup, except "Scoreboard design" list, it's because vMix reads in/out animations only for first loading of title, so if I load another title dynamically, it's in/out animations doesn't happens.

This limitations are because my vMixWpfScoreboardLoader is just an advanced title.

Btw what's difference between soccer, basketball, tennis scoreboards, can it be controlled by one type of scoreboard controller?


What do you think to make left side menu so every sport has his own scoreboard template? For start just one design for each sport. I can make designes.
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#10 Posted : Saturday, January 9, 2016 5:27:11 AM(UTC)
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adamstanton wrote:

I have developed a interface that runs inside a browser for scoring graphics. It is currently developed for football, basketball and rugby.

I can make this available online so you can load from your browser. It will then connect to vMix XAML templates.
here is the screenshot of the Interface running in a browser.
[img]
regards

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This looks great. Can you make a download file so everyone can use it?
Do you have some video of live game so we can see how does it look like live?
I see that you have teamlists too, very nice

This is what I manage to do with XAML, standard transition, shortcuts and my own graphics:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG07dQaYjs8
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Siroki wrote:

What do you think to make left side menu so every sport has his own scoreboard template? For start just one design for each sport. I can make designes.


As I told, I can load any title/scoreboard, but only once. Try to make desing, and I adopt it to plugin.
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elgarf wrote:
Siroki wrote:

What do you think to make left side menu so every sport has his own scoreboard template? For start just one design for each sport. I can make designes.


As I told, I can load any title/scoreboard, but only once. Try to make desing, and I adopt it to plugin.


I have one for soccer already, can you use this and try

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gray->short team names
blue -> score 0-0
black-> timer
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#13 Posted : Saturday, January 9, 2016 8:19:14 AM(UTC)
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Got something like that.
Scoreboard video
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elgarf wrote:
Got something like that.
Scoreboard video


Nice job!!!
Looks very nice and this is what I was thinking and suggest for vMix
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You can try it by yourself, load dll in attached archive as title, then select soccer.xaml in file open dialog.
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I made the hole soccer pack and deal with scoreboard over shortcuts but I will try this.
Maybe vMix will consider this and try to make something like this to be a standard edition in next versions

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#17 Posted : Friday, January 15, 2016 11:31:28 AM(UTC)
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Hey Adam can you make your interface available?
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#18 Posted : Friday, January 15, 2016 12:44:51 PM(UTC)
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I am working on this as we speak, i am able to

- add/delete inputs for any title/sports.
- turn on/off any images (Sponsors, Station ID, etc..)
- add/change logo's, text fields, scores, start/stop/pause/reset clock timers etc...

- Not good on the graphic design of scoreboards...
- Not familiar with the different scoring for different sports.
- Will develop each sport.. 1 at a time

- What i lack is the graphic design side of things and the knowledge of the scoring for each sport.
- Would need input / feedback on what users want and need for features...

1) Scoreboard Controller Template Design/functions
2) Scoreboard Design Template Design/functions
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desmar wrote:
I am working on this as we speak, i am able to

- add/delete inputs for any title/sports.
- turn on/off any images (Sponsors, Station ID, etc..)
- add/change logo's, text fields, scores, start/stop/pause/reset clock timers etc...

- Not good on the graphic design of scoreboards...
- Not familiar with the different scoring for different sports.
- Will develop each sport.. 1 at a time

- What i lack is the graphic design side of things and the knowledge of the scoring for each sport.
- Would need input / feedback on what users want and need for features...

1) Scoreboard Controller Template Design/functions
2) Scoreboard Design Template Design/functions


Great
When you are done share with us. If you need some help just let us know
I can help with design

bye
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#20 Posted : Monday, February 1, 2016 7:58:11 PM(UTC)
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Love the idea of this - we do a lot of baseball coverage and defining shortcuts for balls, strikes, pitch counts, bases, errors etc takes a lot of setting up and maintenance. A complete score controller would make life a lot easier for anyone to manage.
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