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Ittaidv  
#1 Posted : Friday, March 20, 2015 6:10:25 PM(UTC)
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We record concerts and dj sets. We take the sound from the mixer straight into our mixer. In order to record the crowd's sound, we use a Rode NTG2 aimed at the public. Problem is that there's often a lot of bass, overcranking our microphone, so we can only use it when there are no drumsounds.

Any idea how to set our mic to avoid this? Or do we use the wrong microphone?
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#2 Posted : Friday, March 20, 2015 6:23:24 PM(UTC)
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What about using your mixer's low cut and eq for that channel?
thanks 1 user thanked ovinas for this useful post.
tnorrell on 3/21/2015(UTC)
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#3 Posted : Friday, March 20, 2015 6:51:25 PM(UTC)
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ovinas wrote:
What about using your mixer's low cut and eq for that channel?


Might be an idea, never tried it :)
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#4 Posted : Saturday, March 21, 2015 2:23:01 AM(UTC)
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That's scary and I hope this is just a hobby for you.....
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#5 Posted : Saturday, March 21, 2015 10:22:44 PM(UTC)
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Now now... no need to get snarky. I hope that wasn't your intent, and that I'm just reading that wrong.

I worked in video for years before I had to touch an audio board, because someone else was always running it. When I did have to handle a mixer, I had no idea what anything did except for the mute and sliders. I learned what I needed to learn to get that job done, and I've been learning more every day since... but I'm no expert... and that is what helps prevent me from sounding like a jerk when I respond to comments online.
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Not getting snarky but this is my opinion. If it's a hobby or a non profit job it's okay. But as a customer who pays for a service I would expect that the involved persons have the knowledge about absolutely basic features.
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, March 24, 2015 2:42:56 AM(UTC)
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Dude, it was snarky ;) Lighten up please, so people will enjoy reading the posts and contributing.

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Not getting snarky but this is my opinion. If it's a hobby or a non profit job it's okay. But as a customer who pays for a service I would expect that the involved persons have the knowledge about absolutely basic features.


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#8 Posted : Tuesday, March 24, 2015 4:46:43 AM(UTC)
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Please just don't read or ignore my posts if someones different opinion is not what you want to read.
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, March 24, 2015 7:27:45 AM(UTC)
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It's not so much about the opinion itself but more so the way it came across & the way you said it. There are better ways to express opinions without being toxic.
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, March 24, 2015 10:17:29 AM(UTC)
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ovinas wrote:
That's scary and I hope this is just a hobby for you.....


Dude, I did 70+ gigs in half a year, and yes people pay me to do this.

Since we record mainly the music, we never really cared about the crowd sound. We record full sets and concerts, so we record them straight from the PA or DJ mixer. Instead of testing stuff on a gig, I'd rather ask it here to be sure. If you want to make stupid comments, there's sites for that ;)
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, March 24, 2015 11:16:13 AM(UTC)
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70+ gigs and no clue about an audio mixer's channel low cut and eq? Really?
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, March 24, 2015 3:07:22 PM(UTC)
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I've been impressed for years at the knowledge of the Vmix Forum. The vast majority are helpful and supportive.

We're all at various levels using Vmix for various project.

Nice suggestion ovinas on trying the channel roll off...maybe inserting a multi-band graphic equalizer could be an option. I could bring the frequency of the rolled off effect ever higher.

+! to everyone who tried to get ovinas to stay on the light side.
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#13 Posted : Tuesday, March 31, 2015 4:57:06 AM(UTC)
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My company is professional in the sense that we get paid by our customers. Over the years we have worked together with many other professionals from the audio side of things. From them we have learned a lot. In general audio engineers from suppliers, broadcast producers, etc have been very kind and in a gentle way suggested to us how our audio could be improved. (And, on a side note been impressed by what we can do with vMix).

They sometimes share stories with us about other video producers who show up (at for example a venue for a big production) and are totally ignorant about cabling, signal levels, etc. Such behavior does of course irritate them.

Ovinas first comment on low cut and EQ was very helpful. And as many other here I found his follow up comment less valuable. In particular because the initial question came from a vMix user who asked for help on how to improve their audio - showing far from ignorance.

A couple of years ago, when we started to develop solutions for live audio descriptions for people hard of hearing, I ran into the concept of side-chaining. I am still learning about side-chaining and auto ducking. But this topic's question made me think that perhaps an even more advanced solution is to route the drum mike (or other relevant sources) as a side-chain source to auto-duck the crowd mike. Of course that is more complicated, again - just an idea. Please note, I am trying here to share some of the things I learned. Not bragging about things I actually don't understand sufficiently.

I alwas want to learn more, and improve. So, I am now a proud owner of the Behringer XR18 (unfortunately with not enough time to play with it). I am confident that this type of remote control digital mixers, using apps (Win, Mac, Android, iOS), will revolutionize audio mixing.

If you have time, take a look at for example this 3 minute tutorial: X AIR How To: Ringing out Monitors with Graphic EQ & RTA (Android). In that view a simple "low cut and EQ" seems amateurish ;) If nothing else, the tutorial illustrates the use of "a multi-band graphic equalizer".
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#14 Posted : Thursday, April 2, 2015 9:58:55 PM(UTC)
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Just a suggestion as Im yet to try mine yet, but I bought something to do just what your asking in the future. You can record direct from the mixer while also taking a live recording from the external mics at a lower level.

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