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Since lastest VMIX update (currently on 27.0.0.88) my NDI output is fluid on local PC but choppy, laggy on network.
I run over 10GB local network so it's not a bandwitch issue.
I have try with NDI Studio and OBS to listen the signal and both have the same result.
Nothing as change on my network setting too.
Any one have this problem ?
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Joined: 4/23/2017(UTC) Posts: 1,230 Location: Germany Thanks: 3 times Was thanked: 168 time(s) in 150 post(s)
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It's NOT happening so far on my end. Netgear 4350 with seperate VLAN for Dante and NDI. 10x Kiloview transceivers. NDI tools. Different Cams. MS Teams (NDI enabled) Everything works as expected.
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Joined: 12/6/2024(UTC) Posts: 1 Location: St. Louis, MO
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We are having the same issue. We use 3 Canon C300 Mark ii cameras running into three Kiloview N60 converters plugged into our network switch. We see some chops or studers every so often. Could this be a setting we need to address in the converter settings?
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The N60 is averaging at approx 200 MB for 4K. Three signals are 600-800 mbps on the network. If things happen sporadic try to find patterns. Always when you open xyz or alway after selecting it in studio monitor for quality checks or similar things. I made a NDI bandwidth video on YT that might surprise you. (https://youtu.be/dW4eFcfTYQA) The other traffic on the network might have also influences. Monitor the packets in vMix itself. Buttom right stats menu. The better the picture the easier to identify potential issues or bottlenecks.
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Good evening. The problem with NDI dropping frames started occurring for me about a year ago on Windows 10. I suspect it happened after a certain update. After all, Microsoft has a history of breaking things that previously worked fine. My PC has an i7 10700k, so it doesn’t have e-cores. In the past, using the same 1gbps LAN switch, I could comfortably output 1x 1080p NDI while simultaneously receiving 2 NDI camera inputs without any issues. Now, even just 1 NDI output isn’t stable.
What’s strange is that if I set NDI to low bandwidth (which of course results in poor image quality), it doesn’t drop frames. So, without being able to prove it, it seems that for some reason Windows can no longer handle large streams or packets of around 100+ Mbps, like each NDI output, as it did before.
The only solution I found that works is to convert the full NDI to H264 NDI HX via NDI Bridge, and it works perfectly. However, there’s a delay of about 200-250ms, which can range from negligible to annoying. I should also mention that I see the same problem in both the NDI Studio Monitor and the OBS NDI plugin. Unfortunately, from my perspective, it seems that the only solution to fix this issue will be when, in a future Windows update, NDI crashes completely for all users or applications, so that it can be properly addressed—much like what happened with Windows 11 24H2, where vMix versions up to 26.0.0.45 would crash with audio sources.
Otherwise, since the problem might not be reproducible on another PC, a solution won’t be found. For example, with the e-cores issue, the vMix team had mentioned in a vMix live fun time show that they received reports about it, but couldn’t confirm it.
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