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Morki  
#21 Posted : Sunday, September 13, 2020 3:44:33 AM(UTC)
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splitting to mono seems to work.
I use NDI a lot. It works great, but you need to know what you are doing when using more than 3-4 streams in parallel. You can activate "Additional NDI Outputs" for cameras and calls, that provides NDI sources for all calls. But keep in mind the bandwidth and CPU needed if you use 8+ NDI feeds at the same time (won't work on a single Gigabit link!).

you can work around the 8 calls limit by using 2 vmix pros on separate laptops and routing the calls from one pc to the other via NDI), but that makes the whole setup a little complicated...

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@Paul:

* I'll be setting up the system next week and did not realize we are limited to 8 callers total (which we'll have to live with).
* Also, I haven't tested splitting the buses into mono but hope that works as intended so was asking if Moriki had successfully gotten it to work yet.
* I'm currently planning to interconnect vMix with the studio mixer and IO with Dante DVS by splitting buses as discussed before (will also travel through a Waves Server for additional processing). But, if there is a better way to get the caller's isolated audio out of vMix I would consider that as well. I'm currently reading through the NDI capabilities but don't see a way to pick up the direct outs from each call. Do you know if that's possible?


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#22 Posted : Sunday, September 13, 2020 3:54:48 AM(UTC)
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Thanks Moirki, that's very helpful!
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#23 Posted : Sunday, September 13, 2020 3:56:41 AM(UTC)
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When testing I also hit the DVS/Dante VIA issues. My next try would be to have the DVS on both PCs and VIA running on a third laptop, that should provide the Clock DVS needs? I am travelling at the moment, so I only have one laptop with me and can't test any further since DVS and VIA won't run on a single system at the same time.



why do you need DVS ? cant you just use Dante Via to connect audio from each computer ? i havent used these drivers myself so maybe i am missing something but dont you just put Via on each computer on the same network and then they can all be seen in Dante routing software ? have you tried this ?
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@Mtone, I can't speak for Morki but I'll be using Dante DVS because I'm interfacing into a full studio system that's Dante based. So using Dante DVS allows me to connect to all of the necessary devices.
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if you need to use things like an external digital mixer then you use DVS but if you just want audio between a few computers on the same network i thought VIA is the option ? the OP originally was talking about sending 6 callers to another computer or application to mix in software, so this should only need VIA i thought ?
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#26 Posted : Sunday, September 13, 2020 6:02:58 PM(UTC)
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When testing I also hit the DVS/Dante VIA issues. My next try would be to have the DVS on both PCs and VIA running on a third laptop, that should provide the Clock DVS needs? I am travelling at the moment, so I only have one laptop with me and can't test any further since DVS and VIA won't run on a single system at the same time.



why do you need DVS ? cant you just use Dante Via to connect audio from each computer ? i havent used these drivers myself so maybe i am missing something but dont you just put Via on each computer on the same network and then they can all be seen in Dante routing software ? have you tried this ?


I learned latency is an issue with VIA, and I'm worried about that (lip snc). In addition, using DVS just "feels better", is more flexible when using external hardware at a later point, it just looks like a multichannel soundcard and is easier to handle, I find VIA a little weird.

But if I understand correctly, I cannot use DVS on two pcs without any Dante hardware in the network or alternatively a Dante VIA to have a Dante master clock.
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#27 Posted : Monday, September 14, 2020 2:24:55 PM(UTC)
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I learned latency is an issue with VIA, and I'm worried about that (lip snc).


cant you just set a minus offset in mixer channel settings in vmix ?
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#28 Posted : Monday, September 14, 2020 8:17:08 PM(UTC)
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Here a few infos i have on Dante Software DVS&VIA

Dante DVS: The Professional Tool for Live Audio

Developed for Multitrack Recording and Multitrack Playback for Virtual Soundcheck e.g.
Dante DVS should enhance a current Dante Setup witch mixer and stagebox wich are connected by Dante.
DVS provides 64 ASIO Only Channels @48kHz i/o
and 32 ASIO i/o @96kHz.
The Windows os cant access DVS cause it is ASIO based. You will need an Professional DAW or similar to use the DVS channels.
DVS was explicit not designed to insert effects and process them(Like Waves is) because auf the high latency the DVS was given wich can be granted for all PC NICs.



Dante VIA: for Conferencing and Special Workflows

Developed for Boardrooms and conferencing it is able to send Audio from PC to PC and to Dante Hardware also like ceiling speakers and receive from fixed installed mic.
So this can be eccessed by zoom with only one network cable.
But it is Limited Total 48 channels @48kHz and these are splitted in 16Channels ASIO and 32WDM.
Wich means a DAW can only access 16Channels i/o. But you can send 9.2 Audio from an DVD software ore a computer game to the dante network.
Also there is the ability to grab audio from any Software running. As an example routing Powerpoint audio to channel 1&2 and vlc player to 3&4.
This archieved by tunneling in the windows systemaudiomixer. Most standard wdm software obly use the defined standard audio device (there is the possibility to select the direct select the desired soundcard in wdm applications but is not used activly anymore)
Also WDM cahnnels will suffer a higher latency root to the system sound and mixer, there is no adjustable buffer size.

II only knot the behavior in windows systems. And i dont know how it works on mac OS because it is all coreAudio.

Also my Knowlege comes from Workshops with yamaha and dante trainings and the Dante Website but i never worked with DanteVIA.

When to Choose DVS:

BandRecording Multitrack, or Multitrack Playback
You have an existing Dante Infrastructure.
You need more than 16channels of ASIO per direction

When to Choose DanteVIA:

Conferencing or Wish to level GameAudio and Powerpoint independently.
Bridging audio from Zoom to Skype eg.
Also mix Consumer applications with pro audio software.


I doubt that Dante-VIA is a suitable clocksource for Dante Products and DVS.
Also mind that mixing ASIO and WDM driver channels to max out the channelcount will lead to different latency between them. And vMIX can Access both WDM and ASIO.
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#29 Posted : Sunday, September 20, 2020 2:52:30 AM(UTC)
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@RDP

Might be too little, too late but Bird Dog just released their Dante-NDI Bridge software.

http://www.bird-dog.tv/dante/

I am hoping I can use it to embed Dante audio into an NDI stream. Perhaps you could do the opposite.
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