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Did vMix really mess up all my titles ? - especially when using convert columns to rows
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#1 Posted : Monday, April 29, 2019 8:52:44 AM(UTC)
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I do realize the addition of .Text to GTtitle items but not for XAML titles

all my ranking titles are using an xml datasource with columns converted to rows using the addition of numbers to the column headers
As such the titles are coded with the field plus a number giving the ability to "automate" populating them all

but just noticed vMix data source columns to row still adds the number but with a dot in between making all these titles useless as blend does not allow me (not valid) to name the fields with a dot in

this happens both in v21.61 and v22.54

the help files still state though
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Convert rows to columns: Ticking this box will group all rows in the data source into a single row, numbering the column names in the process. For example a spreadsheet
with Name and Description and 3 rows will become Name1, Description1, Name2, Description2, Name3, Description3 with all data contained in a single row.


what happened ?

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#2 Posted : Monday, April 29, 2019 10:31:24 AM(UTC)
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vMix does not add dots to the column headings, so there must be something strange with how the XML is laid out or labelled.
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#3 Posted : Monday, April 29, 2019 5:05:40 PM(UTC)
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Fair enough but yes really strange as i just don't see it

Same xml creator, just modified/added a few "columns"

is just fine
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Code:
<?xml version="1.0" standalone="yes"?>
<DocumentElement>
  <runner>
    <NR />
    <CTY>BEL</CTY>
    <Handler>Name</Handler>
    <Dog>Dname</Dog>
    <Time>2.310</Time>
    <F>5</F>
    <R>0</R>
    <TF>0</TF>
    <Total>5</Total>
    <Rank>1</Rank>
  </runner>
</DocumentElement>


adds the dots
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Code:
<?xml version="1.0" standalone="yes"?>
<DocumentElement>
  <runner>
    <NR />
    <CTY>BEL</CTY>
    <Handler>Name</Handler>
    <Dog>Dname</Dog>
    <Time>3.687</Time>
    <F>5</F>
    <R>0</R>
    <T>0</T>
    <AF>5</AF>
    <PTs>0</PTs>
    <Total>5</Total>
    <Rank>1</Rank>
  </runner>
</DocumentElement>



Scratching my head here
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#4 Posted : Monday, April 29, 2019 5:31:12 PM(UTC)
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Apologies, I have had another look and vMix will add a dot in cases where there are more than 10 columns.
(This is to prevent naming conflicts where columns in the data source already have numbers in them)
However a dot is a valid name for a GT field, so you can rename the fields in the title to match this new format.
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#5 Posted : Monday, April 29, 2019 5:58:50 PM(UTC)
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Ok Makes sense but

As mentioned before they are XAML titles (in .dll form)

They process the same xml files as used in the Data Source for other XAML.dll titles and other custom apps

Converting everything to GT titles negates the custom operation and apps created to handle everything

While we do use higher end licenses for a central ring production , using a dozen plus laptops for the basic streams with same apps and titles does not allow for license upgrades there

The upgrades from HD version alone is beyond the budget let alone upgrade to 4k versions for those (I don't complain about the policy it just doesn't fit our bill)

to compare with more familiar sports for many: say one has a soccer tournament covering 10 fields or more, each field has its own streaming unit (laptop, graphics, score, recording processing and all )
For the final Match we go full blast in the main arena

Frankly we havent even seen a benefit to change to GT titles so far for us as the current workflow that grew works smoothly now and changing everything so close to an upcoming major event wel ....

At least we have control over the various apps created for our workflow :-)
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#6 Posted : Monday, April 29, 2019 6:03:21 PM(UTC)
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In that case you should be able to manually map the fields to the XAML title.
It will only need to be done once, and once saved in a preset no longer need to worry about it!
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#7 Posted : Monday, April 29, 2019 6:19:12 PM(UTC)
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In that case you should be able to manually map the fields to the XAML title.
It will only need to be done once, and once saved in a preset no longer need to worry about it!


With all due respect this is not an option for us in this type of production for various reasons

at least we know where the issue is now, thank you
(back to the drawing board)
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