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Hi Martin.
I've been trying to use, with vMix, the new encoder for Windows Media video fron Microsoft: "Microsoft Expression Encoder 4" (SP1 V. 4.0.3210.0).
I've tested the encoder with the vMix 2011 Beta 3, on several HW and SW platforms (Windows XP and Windows 7).
To feed vMix I've prepared two cases: video file only and USB capture only.
In all platforms and cases, the Expression Encoder starts working fine taking as video input the VMix virtual capture (the audio input to the Expression Encoder has been the HW line input).
In all platforms and cases, after a while (approx. something more than hour), the Expression Encoder crashes with a message of the type: The application has been a problem and must terminate; vMix allways stays working.
I repeated the same test running the Expression Encoder alone on the same platforms and conditions, and no crash was found.
Thanks in advance, any help will be appreciated.
Best regards.
Antonio (mas)
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What is the CPU usage like during recording? Have you tried encoding an hour long AVI file recorded in vMix directly?
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In the Expression test I have done, no recording has been taken.
The vMix only renders its output to the vMix Virtual Capture device. The Microsoft Expression 4 has only been streaming to a LAN, no recording activated.
The CPU usage declared in vMix is between 2 and 4%, depending on the HW platform. The Windows CPU meter declares between 13 and 30%.
In the same scenarios, but using vMix with Adobe FMLE instead of Microsoft Expression for the streaming, more than 50 working hours have been succesfully tested.
Below is a capture of the details showed when the error appears in a Windows 7 computer (sorry, is in spanish):
Nombre del evento de problema: APPCRASH Nombre de la aplicación: Encoder.exe Versión de la aplicación: 4.0.3210.0 Marca de tiempo de la aplicación: 4d6dacf0 Nombre del módulo con errores: vMixVirtualCapture.ax Versión del módulo con errores: 0.0.0.0 Marca de tiempo del módulo con errores: 4d63b3f5 Código de excepción: c0000005 Desplazamiento de excepción: 00001dd9 Versión del sistema operativo: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48 Id. de configuración regional: 3082 Información adicional 1: 0a9e Información adicional 2: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789 Información adicional 3: 0a9e Información adicional 4: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
Regards, Antonio (mas)
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I will try a 2 hour test to see if I can re-create the error. It may be a couple of weeks before I can run the test as I am currently overseas for the NAB conference.
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Some more information about the behavior of the problem.
I've repeated several times some of the tests. The time to crash is different dependig on the platform, but the same platform (HW and SW) has allways the same time to crash. Two values obtained in different platforms have been 2h21m and 5h38m.
Regards, Antonio
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Hi Martin.
Did you run any test about the "Microsoft Expression Encoder 4" crashing.
Regards,
Antonio
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Sorry about the delay. I am currently busy with a lot of changes at the moment. If you are a registered customer I can give you an alpha version to test by emailing info@vmix.com.au, otherwise it may be a month or so away.
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A vMix Beta 5 pre-release is now available in the Beta 5 thread. Give it a try and let me know if it resolves the Expression Encoder issue.
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I have also been experiencing this problem on Vmix 2011 beta5.
As Antonio describes the problem only occurs in Expression and not with Flash. However Expression is fine when you encode straight from another source. So although Microsoft need to pull their finger out, it could also be fixable in Vmix.
I have finally found a solution, use the discontinued Windows Media Encoder instead of Expression. I ran it for over 20 hours and it was rock solid.
Unfortunately you sacrifice the ability to use ISS live smooth streaming, but many people don't have silverlight yet anyway.
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Hi,
I've identified the bug that is causing issues with Expression Encoder. I have tested a fix with Expression Encoder 4 SP1.
It will be released with vMix 2011 V6 in the next couple of days.
Regards,
Martin vMix
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We have been testing EE4 SP1 with vMix 2011 v11 and have run into a very similar problem.
After 1:20:00 (encoding time, aprox. 144,000 encoded frames) EE4 stops encoding with an error "Not enough memory to perform the requested operation". This has been replicated 3 times in a row, and the error appears around the 1:20:00 mark (plus or minus 10 seconds)
At this point, hitting stop and trying to start encoding again will cause the same error message to repeat after a few seconds.
If EE4 is left alone (not encoding) with the error message on the screen, after about 15 minutes, EE4 crashes.
Thanks,
Hector
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Hi,
I've identified a potential memory leak when using vMix with EE4 that will be fixed in the next release.
Regards,
Martin vMix
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