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VVEPBrian  
#1 Posted : Saturday, January 30, 2021 12:59:05 AM(UTC)
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I've been putting VMix through it's paces at a large University where we're streaming and recording events almost daily. Some of the programs are very complex, with 4 PTZs, 10 mics, tons of lower thirds, video clips, VMix calls, bunch of scripts to automate things, etc. Some are simple, like one we did yesterday with 3 ENG cams connected via SDI, a single VMix caller and a one shotgun mic for our in house moderator.

The program was with a very prominent and expensive guest, and they paid a fortune for 30 minutes of their time. Hard cut at 30 minutes was the contractual agreement. About 25 minutes into the interview VMix simply disappeared. No error message, no CPU or GPU stress or any indication of any problems - it just disappeared in an instant and I was looking at my desktop and blank output screens.

The good thing was that I reloaded VMix, loaded the project, and it instantly had everything back - including the remote caller. I'd have to say, the crash could have taken 5 years off my life - but I'd say only 1 year after the speedy recovery, and that our less than tech savvy guest didn't have to reconnect with us.

So anyway, this has happened to me twice over the past four months. The first time it happened, I was running a much more elaborate setup including broadcasting the program using Zoom on the same PC running VMix. When it happened that time, I did a little googling and from the best of what I could find people blamed it on Zoom - or simply the running of so much at once on the one system. So we stopped doing that, and now I send the program out of my graphics card's native HDMI jack to a separate PC that runs Zoom. I also stopped using NDI for my PTZs because it seems to significantly increase the CPU Load vs. using my AJA Lo 4K Plus and sticking to SDI for the video feeds. With all of the changes I've made, I've gone from where I used to use 65% to 85% of my CPU to it rarely hitting 50%.

Bottom line is that after the first disappearing act of VMix earlier this semester, I thought I must have fixed it by eliminating all other software running on the system, and connecting all cameras in such a way that I rarely see my CPU utilization reach 45%, and my GPU usage is generally in the 15% range. Then yesterday it went poof and the program was so simple in terms of connected tech. My GPU was 8-10% on average, CPU around 25-30%.

I can see the argument that for such high profile interviews I shouldn't be using VMix to begin with, I should be using some expensive rock solid hardware solution that has nearly no chance to fail. I don't think that there's anyway I could justify or charge for all of the equipment I would need, and additional people I would need to assist if I wasn't using VMix. I've made a name for myself on campus, and now I have different schools and departments seeking me out because of my ability to put on elaborate productions for reasonable fees, and that's thanks to VMix in large part.

The crashes are so infrequent, twice over probably 100 events/recordings. My problem is that some of these events simply can't afford to be one of the ones where Vmix goes poof, and unless I can determine what is causing it I'm going to have to come up with something else when the stakes are so high.

Has anyone experienced this and fixed it? Is there anyway to pull up an error log from an event where the crash has no dialog box about the crash? Thanks.
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#2 Posted : Saturday, January 30, 2021 3:19:35 AM(UTC)
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Hi,

The most likely cause of this is faulty hardware, please send us an email via our support page so we can investigate further.
https://www.vmix.com/contact-us.aspx

Regards,

Martin
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Taylor90  
#3 Posted : Tuesday, February 2, 2021 10:13:43 AM(UTC)
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Hi There,

vMix lately has had me on my toes,

In the past week or so i have seen 5 different vMix systems running different type shows crash without warning... Luckily only once did it affect any of the shows.

I must add that i have never seen vMix crash even once before this last week or so.

System 1 - 10900x, 2080ti
System 2 (Crashed twice) & 3 - 9900k, 3070
System 4 - Mac Pro in bootcamp, Xeon 12 core, D700

All the above running roughly 10-15 NDI sources

We thought that it might have been the latest version of companion but we changed all the versions back to 2.1.1 and one of the vMix systems crashed again a couple days later.

It might also be worth noting that the first two systems crashed within 30 seconds of eachother...

ZT
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, February 2, 2021 12:12:27 PM(UTC)
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As mentioned, in all the cases we have seen it will be due to faulty hardware.
On multiple systems is rare, but not unheard of with perhaps the same faulty hardware (such as NDI encoder) being used as a source for both.

Please drop us an email if you want us to investigate further.
Halfbit  
#5 Posted : Friday, March 19, 2021 4:08:36 AM(UTC)
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My company had experience a nightmare of crashes from January 2021 into late February 2021, and what we found in our troubleshooting is NDI seems to be the culprit.

We also use Companion (2.1.2) but our API polling time to the vMix instance doesn't seem to be a problem. We set to 500ms.

In particular, we noticed that our Macbooks (Big Sur) running NDI Scan Converter would send unusual resolutions/frame rates that seemed to be the cause of our random crashes. No error messages from vMix, just event viewer logs on Windows 10 showing errors relating to ntdll.dll (a few others popped up, but ntdll.dll was the most frequently listed).

As soon as we eliminated using Scan Converters on the Macbooks to our vMix station, we have not experienced a crash yet. We're still trying to analyze if vMix 24's FEIM feature will provide an extra layer of stability when using NDI, as we don't want to remove using NDI entirely because it's very convenient and cost-effective for us.

That being said; matching all of your inputs' resolutions/frame rates to the vMix project resolution/frame rate is something we try to do to take scaling/converting workload off of the computer. So I would say you should troubleshoot all of your NDI sources to vMix (look at resolution/frame rate sends, check the integrity of the encoders like if you're using NDI tools, BirdDog products, etc.)

Our rigs are Intel i9 10980XE with NVIDIA Quadro RTX5000 cards, 32GB non-ECC RAM (2x16), and a 512GB M.2 SSD (PCIe Gen. 3 speeds). We have 10GbE NICs on our computers, but we're currently on a 1GbE Switch. We'll be upgrading to 10GbE network switches in the future for larger LAN bandwidth.
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