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#1 Posted : Friday, October 2, 2020 5:10:04 AM(UTC)
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There are quite a few Triggers Functions that have zero description in the manual. It would sure be helpful to newbies to have a sentence description for each. Is there somewhere else this information is available?

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#2 Posted : Friday, October 2, 2020 5:49:47 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Scott Go to Quoted Post
There are quite a few Triggers Functions that have zero description in the manual. It would sure be helpful to newbies to have a sentence description for each. Is there somewhere else this information is available?



Of the 9 currently available which one is not self-explanatory enough ?
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#3 Posted : Friday, October 2, 2020 6:23:50 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Scott Go to Quoted Post
There are quite a few Triggers Functions that have zero description in the manual. It would sure be helpful to newbies to have a sentence description for each. Is there somewhere else this information is available?



Of the 9 currently available which one is not self-explanatory enough ?


There are way more than 9 - easily over 100. Perhaps you are thinking of something else. Below is a pic of the beginning of the list.

But here are few that aren't obvious:

InputPreviewHide - which does not hide the preview window (or input thumbnail which could be considered a preview)
PreviewInput - which does not change the preview window
PreviewInputNext - which also seems to do nothing


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#4 Posted : Friday, October 2, 2020 7:52:24 AM(UTC)
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Scott i think you need to play around with vMix a bit...

'InputPreview, is not refering to the main preview. An input preview is the little view for each input. This can be hidden/collapsed with this function or by manually rightclicking the header of the input (stating the input number and name).

The PreviewInput function takes an input parameter, which when triggered, will be set to the preview
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#5 Posted : Friday, October 2, 2020 7:57:41 AM(UTC)
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There are way more than 9 - easily over 100.


No, You mentioned Triggers !

Now you are talking about shortcut functions !

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InputPreviewHide - which does not hide the preview window (or input thumbnail which could be considered a preview)
PreviewInput - which does not change the preview window
PreviewInputNext - which also seems to do nothing


There is often a small description below the function selection box !

InputPreviewHide: Hide Large preview of Input (one can only hide what one shows first like with InputPreviewShow)
PreviewInput : Send to preview the selected input
PreviewInputNext: Send to Preview the next Input (say you have input 1 in preview using this will put input 2 in preview and so on)

yes they do nothing ;-) tip: watch


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#6 Posted : Saturday, October 3, 2020 3:33:34 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: doggy Go to Quoted Post
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There are way more than 9 - easily over 100.


No, You mentioned Triggers !

Now you are talking about shortcut functions !

Quote:
InputPreviewHide - which does not hide the preview window (or input thumbnail which could be considered a preview)
PreviewInput - which does not change the preview window
PreviewInputNext - which also seems to do nothing


There is often a small description below the function selection box !

InputPreviewHide: Hide Large preview of Input (one can only hide what one shows first like with InputPreviewShow)
PreviewInput : Send to preview the selected input
PreviewInputNext: Send to Preview the next Input (say you have input 1 in preview using this will put input 2 in preview and so on)

yes they do nothing ;-) tip: watch


PreviewInput.JPG (47kb) downloaded 0 time(s).


First, thank you for the descriptions it is very helpful.

Second, I have watched that video (twice) and read the entire manual. This post is literally about adding info to the manual that I know is missing because I read it. So give a guy a little credit. ;)

Third, thse functions don't do anything if you don't have an adequate delay - as you caught on my other thread so thanks for that too.

Fourth, and I am not trying to be argumentative, but that function list is in the triggers screen (by clicking Fade to change it). See pic. And it does not have handy descriptions.

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#7 Posted : Saturday, October 3, 2020 3:45:54 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: stigaard Go to Quoted Post
Scott i think you need to play around with vMix a bit...

'InputPreview, is not refering to the main preview. An input preview is the little view for each input. This can be hidden/collapsed with this function or by manually rightclicking the header of the input (stating the input number and name).

The PreviewInput function takes an input parameter, which when triggered, will be set to the preview


Thanks for the description of that function.

I'm not sure assuming all users will just trial and error functions to try and see what they do is a better solution than my suggested 1 sentence description of each. I mean I watched the tutorial videos and read the entire manual in addition to 'playing around with it' for hours to trial and error various functions. At some point, it's not the users' fault. Especially if they are paying $350 for the software. A 1 sentence description is really not an unreasonable request.

Notably, many of these functions did not do anything as I was unaware that one needed to add a delay to the 'on transition in' function that was longer than transition time involved elsewhere (in my case a 400 ms fade in from a shortcut). I (wrongly) assumed that 'on transition in' meant at the END of transitioning in, not the beginning of the transition. Which again would be a nice thing to mention in the dialog box or the manual or the video tutorials on triggers or shortcuts.

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#8 Posted : Saturday, October 3, 2020 5:16:26 AM(UTC)
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In a way you're right in some information might be lacking in the help files but then again most of vMix is logical. (vMix logic that is ;-) )

Is like Stigaard said, you need to play around with vMix a bit and not confusing for example Triggers with Shortcut functions etc

vMix is not a one button fix all piece of software just like a written book . vMix is like the alfabet with which you can make words, sentences and ultimately a book, The type of book , the subject is up to you to build and maybe it will be a good book . The vMix alfabet is the same as yours, but the words still differ .
Being aware is called experience.

The sheer volume of added functions in the last couple of years has made it harder to update the helpfiles let alone to cater for reach individual possible use or scenario of use.

in order to cater for every possible scenario the help would be at least twice the volume and as it is most users don't even bother reading it or searching for an existing answer.
Worse even on FB many even state they rather ask others for a solution or explanation then spend their own time reading ,learning and researching.

Many of us have been using it for many , many years and still have to check ,try and search or find tricks due to the flexibility of vMix.
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#9 Posted : Saturday, October 3, 2020 6:12:47 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: doggy Go to Quoted Post
In a way you're right in some information might be lacking in the help files but then again most of vMix is logical. (vMix logic that is ;-) )

Is like Stigaard said, you need to play around with vMix a bit and not confusing for example Triggers with Shortcut functions etc

vMix is not a one button fix all piece of software just like a written book . vMix is like the alfabet with which you can make words, sentences and ultimately a book, The type of book , the subject is up to you to build and maybe it will be a good book . The vMix alfabet is the same as yours, but the words still differ .
Being aware is called experience.

The sheer volume of added functions in the last couple of years has made it harder to update the helpfiles let alone to cater for reach individual possible use or scenario of use.

in order to cater for every possible scenario the help would be at least twice the volume and as it is most users don't even bother reading it or searching for an existing answer.
Worse even on FB many even state they rather ask others for a solution or explanation then spend their own time reading ,learning and researching.

Many of us have been using it for many , many years and still have to check ,try and search or find tricks due to the flexibility of vMix.


Again, I did not confuse trigger functions and shortcut functions.

Again, here is the screen capture of the functions list inside the triggers section of an input. The fact that shortcuts have functions does not change the fact that triggers have functions.

And to use your metaphor, a 1 sentence description of a function would be the letters of the vMix alphabet. There is a VAST difference between describing "every possible scenario" and giving a 1 sentence description of what a function does. ESPECIALLY when you are naming your functions things like PreviewInput and InputPreview. At that point you can no longer claim the function name makes it obvious what it does. I am a programmer and I will tell you that programming a function takes many lines of code - a 1 sentence description is nothing compared to that. And it will save time. Even if only some people read the description that is still less future support because of 1 little sentence.

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