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mashynewie2  
#1 Posted : Monday, October 30, 2017 7:52:31 AM(UTC)
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Ok so vMix has dipped it's toes into the cloud with vMix Call.

I think the natural progression is towards "VMIX CLOUD"

Here are some suggested features;

(1) vMix should adopt the same bonding features as the "Teradek Bond" whereby any video going between the cloud and the vMix PC should have the capability to bond over multiple network links (eg. Multiple 4G USB sticks) to make it 100% reliable and redundant. This will improve vMix to vMix calls and other features I mention below. There should be 2 tick boxes. 1 tick box will be called "load balance" where it will load balance video over the multiple links. The second option should be called "Redundant" where all video is sent simultaneously over all links. So if a packet is dropped on 1 link it is picked up on the other link.

(2) vMix should have the functionality (like NDI) where you can see video sources from vMix machines across multiple facilities on ALL vmix instances. So if vMix machines are local, they will use NDI, but if they are across the internet, they will use vMix cloud. Again, this will be fully redundant and reliable if you use multiple USB sticks or internet connections (and yes I know NDI cloud exists but this should be inside vMix WITH redundancy). This would also allow you to switch an event from a central control centre.

(3) Allow you to stream direct from the cloud platform to multiple destinations using a drag and drop interface. This will mean you can stream to multiple destinations (exactly like TERADEK CLOUD) and also take advantage of the bonded internet system built into vMix/vMix Cloud.

(4) Allow you to record in the cloud.

(5) Social media instant sharing - vMix cloud should have functionality like "Grabyo" where you log in, have an interface that allows you to INSTANTLY share video to social media platforms using "in" and "out" marker points in a player.

(6) Redundant vMix Machines would be possible, you would simply live stream from vMix Cloud and you can link 2 machines to that live stream, if 1 machine breaks (which has happened to me) then the cloud will take a feed from the backup machine. If you have a large facility like a radio station with multiple studios, you can have a vMix PC in each studio, and can just "switch" to another studio without interrupting the stream.

(7) Cloud based IFB, talkback and intercom - this should all seamlessly work across the cloud, this will eliminate third party systems.

(8) Bring in webcams (RTSP/ONVIF) directly into the cloud, and make them available on ANY vMix machine automatically.

(9) MPEG-TS to feed videos to studio decoders.

(10) Use the WOWZA CLOUD API to bring up Wowza cloud instances so you can use a simple interface inside vMIX to live stream.

(11) People keep asking for PLAYOUT inside vMix, there could be playout built into vMix cloud. So once you finish streaming, OR if loose connection with vMIX cloud, the vMIX cloud playout can take over. This means vMIX combined with vMIX cloud can become a full online TV solution. You could schedule studio 1 between 7am and 9am. Then you could play a recording from 9am to 9:30am, then you could take studio 2 from 9:30am to 10:30am. And so on, for some inspiration on this, watch this video where a radio network created their own automated national playout and redundancy system across multiple sites.
- This could be done with vMix. The features that "Southern Cross Austereo" has shouldn't be limited to just them, it could be available to everyone on the vMix Cloud platform in the future (yes I know they are only audio, but their model should be available to the video world).

(12) Full vMix control on a webpage - You should be able to control ANY vMix machine resisted to your cloud account from a web browser anywhere in the world. You could put vMix in a data centre and control it from a hotel overseas. We really need to break down these barriers.

I could keep typing all night, but you get the idea. While vMix will remain as a PC based stand alone system, it can start blending into the cloud to make it 100% reliable and fully global.

Imagine if Martin does this, there will be no need for all this hardware in a ENG / SNG truck. Just 2 PC's for redundancy which fully interact with the cloud.

Look at the broadcast radio industry, specifically LAWO who are going on about 'Virtual Radio". They want to erase the physical console, and people can be anywhere in the world with a touch screen and can broadcast from any location and it's all cloud based.

If vMix jumps onto this early, they will be ahead. And they have already started with vMix Call in the cloud.

Of course, this would earn MARTIN a lot of money, charge for different components. This would secure the future of vMix.

The reason why I write this, is because vMix is like the iPhone, it is getting to a point where "it has everything you want as a standalone software" - so cloud adds a whole new dimension to it.

Keep going!
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#2 Posted : Friday, November 3, 2017 6:48:48 AM(UTC)
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#3 Posted : Friday, November 3, 2017 4:27:04 PM(UTC)
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+1 .......times 10

This is very close to what i have been trying to figure out.....this is worth real money to me.
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, November 7, 2017 10:30:29 AM(UTC)
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I tried something like this a few years ago with Amazon AWS. I setup 2 servers and installed Vmix on both of them. Then just created the same assets on both servers. I opened up some ports so I could use the Vmix browser based interface on an Ipad. I was able to do this because all of our inputs come from the Teradek Bonds in the field. I do like some of the other options that you put out there such as the "grabyo"thing.
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#5 Posted : Monday, November 13, 2017 12:22:07 PM(UTC)
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-1 Cloud computing is good for somethings and a headache for others......full applications tend to be ......a no !
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#6 Posted : Friday, November 17, 2017 5:06:09 AM(UTC)
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I’m not suggesting to run vMix in the cloud.

I am suggesting the current vMix stays as-is with new regular features.

But also have cloud based functions to improve the software.

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#7 Posted : Friday, November 17, 2017 11:33:51 AM(UTC)
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One word...overreach.

Part of the beauty of vMix is that it does what it does. Simply. Reliably. There are things that it simply doesn't do. Nor should it.

There are so many threads about minimizing latency that the idea of "cloud" anything seems antithetical to a significant segment of the existing vMix user base.

What you describe is a very large and complicated system with many aspects that cannot be controlled by Martin & his team.

Further, what you describe is already being done (in whole or in part) by traditional broadcast vendors. It costs serious money.
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#8 Posted : Saturday, October 26, 2019 6:57:16 PM(UTC)
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Just for reference.

Something similiar has been done by Bird Dog

https://www.bird-dog.tv/...7383736924-064488c2-0ea9
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#9 Posted : Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:32:00 AM(UTC)
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This is the Next Big Thing.

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#10 Posted : Thursday, April 16, 2020 10:04:33 AM(UTC)
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Amokka  
#11 Posted : Saturday, April 18, 2020 4:06:05 AM(UTC)
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One word...overreach.

Part of the beauty of vMix is that it does what it does. Simply. Reliably. There are things that it simply doesn't do. Nor should it.

There are so many threads about minimizing latency that the idea of "cloud" anything seems antithetical to a significant segment of the existing vMix user base.

What you describe is a very large and complicated system with many aspects that cannot be controlled by Martin & his team.

Further, what you describe is already being done (in whole or in part) by traditional broadcast vendors. It costs serious money.


I agree so much.

Most of the suggested functions can be achieved already by combining vMix with other products, or are entirely beyond the scope of vMix.

vMix is designed to produce content and hand it on to the next step - usually distribution. vMix is not a tool for distribution itself or even signal routing. There are other specialist tools for that kind of work.

Adding HA (high availability) functions will only tax the systems even more and add a lot of additional complexity to both code and configuration. I'll prefer the stability and simplicity ANY day.

But I like the SoMe snippet suggestion, although even that can be accomplished today with scripting and a few 3rd party tools.
Amokka  
#12 Posted : Saturday, April 18, 2020 4:52:23 PM(UTC)
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#13 Posted : Monday, April 20, 2020 4:38:53 AM(UTC)
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Usually I like suggestions and new ideas. Most of what you said has nothing to do with vMix.

-Bonding (available in software and hardware already, why re-invent it again)
-Distribution (Available in the cloud already, NDI Cloud, BirdDog Cloud, Medialooks, SRT...)
-Playout (Available in the cloud already in 8K, Cinegy....)

Please keep vMix stable and simple. Yes, If you are using vMix professionally there is a big list of hardware/software to add to your set. Like it or dislike it. vMix does a fabulous job in terms of a software mixer.

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