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niemi  
#1 Posted : Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:28:45 PM(UTC)
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Which laptop would you go for as the best portable workstation combined with a AJA IO 4K?

Specifications similar to the Sapphire reference build, MSI 15.6" GT63VR Stealth Pro with Thunderbolt3 (no longer the Sapphire reference build), but maybe updated to Kaby Lake.

Since the MSI 15.6" GT63VR Stealth Pro is listed as a reference build I'm leaning towards that or a newer model. But I would like to know if it has become a reference machine because of its specs, or because it has been tested extensively by vMix crew / users?

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Intel Core i7 6700 / 7700HQ
16-32 GB DDR4 RAM
512 GB-1 TB M.2 SSD NVMe
Geforce 1050 / 1060 / 1070 / 1080
Thunderbolt 3 port
LAN-port
Less than 2 kg (max 3 kg)


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MSI GS63VR 6RF 022NE Stealth Pro (15 inch)
Intel Core i7 7700HQ
16 GB DDR4 RAM
256 GB M.2 SSD NVMe + 1 TB 5400 RPM
Geforce 1060
G-Sync: No
Thunderbolt 3 port
LAN-port
Weight: 1.8 kg
Dimension (HxWxD): 17.7 x 380 x 249 mm
Battery life: Mediocre / poor.
Thermal throttling: Unknown.
System stability: Unknown.


Dell XPS 9560 (15 inch)
Intel Core i7 7700HQ
16 - 32 GB DDR4 RAM
512 GB - 1 TB M.2 SSD NVMe
Geforce 1050
G-Sync: No
Thunderbolt 3 port
No LAN-port (requires docking-station)
Weight: 1.8 to 2 kg
Dimension (HxWxD): 17 x 357 x 235 mm
Battery life: Great
Thermal throttling: According to reviews, yes.
System stability: Suffers from BSOD's according to many users.

New ALIENWARE 13 - excellent review from notebookcheck.net, February 2017
Intel Core i7 7700HQ
16 GB DDR4 RAM (up to 32 GB)
256 GB M.2 PCIe SSD (up to 1 TB + 1 TB)
Geforce 1060
G-Sync: No (15-inch has)
Thunderbolt 3 port
LAN-port
Weight: 2.6 kg
Dimension (HxWxD): 22 x 330 x 269 mm
Battery life: Acceptable.
Thermal throttling: No trottling according to reviews.
System stability: Unknown.

ASUS ROG Strix GL502VM
Intel Core i7 7700HQ
16 GB DDR4 RAM
256 GB M.2 PCIe SSD (+1TB HDD)
Geforce 1060
G-Sync: Yes
Thunderbolt 3 port only on some models
LAN-port
Weight: 2.2 kg
Dimension (HxWxD): 23.5 x 39.0 x 23.5 mm
Battery life: Probably poor, 4 cellers 64 Whrs.
Thermal throttling: Unknown.
System stability: Great according to Martin.
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#2 Posted : Thursday, February 16, 2017 7:03:16 PM(UTC)
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Of those 2, I would opt for the MSI with the 1060 video card over the 1050 in the Dell. Also, consider replacing the 5400rpm drive with an SSD.
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#3 Posted : Thursday, February 16, 2017 7:40:59 PM(UTC)
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Hi

Any particular reason why you do not include Asus Rog models in the list ? They also have TB3 ports and roughly same specs...
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#4 Posted : Thursday, February 16, 2017 8:00:32 PM(UTC)
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We just purchased the Alienware 13 as we needed something super portable to fit in carry-on pelicans. It's got the same specs as the MSI, but has an extra USB-C port instead of just the A's and you can actually get to things like the memory and HDD's easily to do upgrades. To upgrade the MSI you have to take the MB out. Dell has a 10% of coupon on the Alienware's right now too.
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#5 Posted : Thursday, February 16, 2017 8:09:21 PM(UTC)
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To upgrade the MSI you have to take the MB out.

That is a pity indeed, I have some older MSI laptops and they all had perfect service hatches on the back to clean out cooling parts and for upgrading certain parts. But I did see you are right when looking pics of the laptop mentioned.
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#6 Posted : Thursday, February 16, 2017 11:25:52 PM(UTC)
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I've been using the GS63VR alongside Akitio Thunder3 PCIe box and Decklink Duo 2
(The 2016 model with 6700HQ CPU)

It's working nicely, it can get really hot sometimes when i play with it, but for production with 4 HD cameras and a USB3 capture device for a PC or a PS4, it's working like a charm, no CPU throttling so far, all is smooth and responsive.
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#7 Posted : Friday, February 17, 2017 7:38:00 AM(UTC)
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We haven't been looking into ASUS ROG but might be worth it.

The Alienware is also a solid option, thanks. I have added it to the list. It has great cooling and upgrade-ability, which also comes with a size (height) and weight disadvantage over the MSI GS63VR 6RF 022NE Stealth Pro (15 inch) which weighs just 1.8 KG compared to the Alienware's (13 inch) 2.6 KG.

Yamato, thank you for chiming in with that combo:

GS63VR
Akitio Thunder3 PCIe box
Decklink Duo 2

Did you go for the Akitio Thunder3 PCIe box + Decklink Duo 2 because it's cheaper than AJA IO 4K, or for other reasons?

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#8 Posted : Friday, February 17, 2017 12:29:02 PM(UTC)
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Yamato wrote:
I've been using the GS63VR alongside Akitio Thunder3 PCIe box and Decklink Duo 2
(The 2016 model with 6700HQ CPU)

It's working nicely, it can get really hot sometimes when i play with it, but for production with 4 HD cameras and a USB3 capture device for a PC or a PS4, it's working like a charm, no CPU throttling so far, all is smooth and responsive.


Yamato, what setup do you prefer:

Skull Canyon NUC + Akitio TB3
MSI GE63VR + Akitio TB3

And how does CPU-load numbers compare?

For example:

4 x 1080p input with camera movement
1 x 8 Mbps H264 .mp4 recording
&
1 x 1080 25p 5 Mbps stream

or

4 x 1080p input with camera movement
1 x 8 Mbps H264 .mp4 recording
&
1 x 1080p 5 Mbps stream
1 x 720p 3 Mbps stream
1 x 360p 0,5 Mbps stream
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#9 Posted : Friday, February 17, 2017 6:15:23 PM(UTC)
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That is an interesting question since i also got a Skull Canyon, but i didn't took time to measure number yet !
I'm very busy right now, working on productionsnon stop until the 27th, so unfortunately i won't be able to benchmark this for you in detail, but i can give it a go on the MSI,
Expect results by the end of the week-end ;)

I bought the Akitio because I was already using a Magewell 4 SDI card with a Magma Box Thunderbolt 2 enclosure on a Mac Pro for eSport livestream and i like this setup a lot, the only downside was the price, i work on a really tight budget because video game production are always low budget.
I decided to give this kind of setup a go with Thunderbolt 3 because i didn't have to invest in a Mac (although i'd love to.). I didn't know the AJA IO 4K existed at the time, but after some thoughts, i prefer the TB3 to PCIE Enclosure, you can swap cards to fit your needs, i plan to get a Yuan with 4 HDMI soon because i work a lot with consumer grade camera for small WebTV productions :)

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#10 Posted : Friday, February 17, 2017 6:56:27 PM(UTC)
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I would recommend ASUS Rog, But would avoid Dell if using Blackmagic as their could be Driver issues, but usually when using their Motherboards
USB/Thunderbolt 3/2 may be different story. And yes the MSI has the better GPU.
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#11 Posted : Monday, February 20, 2017 7:54:12 AM(UTC)
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Acer Aspire V 15 Nitro Black Edition (VN7-592G-56JV) with Thunderbolt 3 Port for around 900 Euro. Combined with Akitio Thunder 3 and a BMD Duo 2 could be an affordable option for a 4 SDI input system.
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#12 Posted : Monday, February 20, 2017 11:27:36 AM(UTC)
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i now have a reference msi laptop 17 inch and an intel nuc skull and both are very attractive options.

the msi is thin but big and has a lot of power and thunderbolt3 which I tegard as indispenble for a new machine. thunderbolt 3 is the breakthrough needed for video input, output etc.

the nuc skull is small and configurable. the i5 generation 7 nuc could be a promise.

vmix, because of its scalability benefits from scalable components. being able to choose a standard monitor of all kind of sizes has a big plus. a small one if vmix is used as a slave, for streaming or recording or a switch, one or two big ones for major production.

a monitor will set you back about 100 bucks. a nuc skull in full armor about 800.

thinking in components would offer a lot of options to choose from, and maybe you have a number of monitors lying around or other components, like the akitio pcie box or bm thunderbolt input...

so i am getting more on the line of portability of components rather than a laptop. p.e. i use my vmix with a small bluetooth keyboard, because i don't need a keyboard much during productions. i use a midi input board for switching, in combo with a bluetooth mouse. I can get everything arranged an. out of the way exactly the way i want and depending on the soace i have ( sometimes only a small chair or stool size production area.

my 3 cam production set now fits in one suitcase, i just need inflatable tripods to save space....

stefan
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#13 Posted : Thursday, February 23, 2017 4:41:41 PM(UTC)
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I just picked up an Acer Aspire V Nitro Black a couple of weeks ago using the Elgato HD60S captures. We'll be doing our first gig at the end of March. So far in testing it works great under AC power, under battery it tanks. I'm still trying to figure out this whole separate gfx card thing. Kinda flying blind. So any setting help would be greatly appreciated.
niemi  
#14 Posted : Monday, February 27, 2017 4:51:19 PM(UTC)
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Notebookcheck recently reviewed the newest Alienware 13 R3:

http://www.notebookcheck...ook-Review.197508.0.html

Overall, the Alienware 13 R3 is not only one of the best 13-inch systems on the market, but also one of the best gaming notebooks in general. There are hardly any real problems and points of criticism, so it is by far the best device in our mobile Top 10 ranking.

I'm currently leaning towards this laptop.
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#15 Posted : Tuesday, February 28, 2017 1:48:24 PM(UTC)
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I just read another review of the Alienware R3. While it looks nice, it's still using a laptop CPU, the i7-7700HQ.

While it's a fast laptop CPU, it's still behind desktop parts like the i7-6700K.


niemi  
#16 Posted : Tuesday, April 4, 2017 12:53:15 PM(UTC)
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DWAM wrote:
Hi

Any particular reason why you do not include Asus Rog models in the list ? They also have TB3 ports and roughly same specs...


I have now updated the list to include it. It has now become the official laptop for a Sapphire reference build:

https://www.vmix.com/pro...ce-systems.aspx#sapphire



One important thing though, in many countries (including mine) this specific model is being sold without Thunderbolt 3:

https://forums.vmix.com/...aspx?g=posts&m=37909
niemi  
#17 Posted : Tuesday, June 20, 2017 9:57:09 AM(UTC)
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A short update on the ASUS ROG Strix GL502VM.

We have been using it for a few months now, and it is very solid. It doesn't have the thunderbolt icon / sticker on it, but regardless it does have thunderbolt 3.

We have been using it both with a AJA U-TAP (SDI) and a Sonnet Echo Express SE I + Decklink Duo 2.

The U-TAP has been solid, but the Sonnet Echo Express SE I + Decklink Duo 2 combination is still not quite production ready in my opinion. I have experienced short hiccups in the recording / streaming, even when just using a single camera. Also the fan in the Sonnet Echo Express SE I is very noisy, and the fan on the Decklink Duo 2 also seems a lot noisier than when installed in a motherboard. I don't think it's just the workstation chassis that is better at drowning the fan noise, it genuinely seems to be running more aggressive and at variable speeds in the Sonnet box.

I would recommend sticking to the reference recommendation, the AJA IO 4K for multi camera production, or the AJA U-TAP for a single camera setup.
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#18 Posted : Wednesday, June 21, 2017 1:36:11 PM(UTC)
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I also have the Sonnet SE 1 loaded with a Decklink Duo Card and have not experienced ANY issues as you describe. It is rock solid for me. I use it with a Lenovo P50 laptop with NVIDIA Quadro M2000M graphics.
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#19 Posted : Wednesday, June 21, 2017 2:43:47 PM(UTC)
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kricher1964 wrote:
I also have the Sonnet SE 1 loaded with a Decklink Duo Card and have not experienced ANY issues as you describe. It is rock solid for me. I use it with a Lenovo P50 laptop with NVIDIA Quadro M2000M graphics.


Hey kricher, what about noise from the fans?
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