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vmixsupport  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, December 14, 2016 12:33:54 AM(UTC)
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If vMix was to implement a Safe Margin Area for the interface, what safe areas would you want it to include. How do you want it implemented? Would an advanced setting that allowed you to turn it on for the Preview suffice?

Let us know your suggestions below and we'll consider them.
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, December 14, 2016 12:57:49 AM(UTC)
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I think the rule of thumb is 5 and 10...

Action Safe: This boundary is 5% in from each edge of the frame. All essential action, and actors, should be inside this outer boundary.
Title Safe: This boundary is 10% in from each edge of the frame. All essential text, logos, graphics, and titles should be inside this inner boundary.

Having centre hash marks both horizontally and vertically are very beneficial as well.

Very much in accordance with the image that Nick Davidson recently posted here.
I think the Preview screen is the minimum requirement and if possible, have it available in the pop-up window when the cog wheel is clicked (settings button) for each Input.


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#3 Posted : Wednesday, December 14, 2016 1:29:58 AM(UTC)
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IceStream wrote:
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I think the rule of thumb is 5 and 10...

Action Safe: This boundary is 5% in from each edge of the frame. All essential action, and actors, should be inside this outer boundary.
Title Safe: This boundary is 10% in from each edge of the frame. All essential text, logos, graphics, and titles should be inside this inner boundary.

Having centre hash marks both horizontally and vertically are very beneficial as well.

Very much in accordance with the image that Nick Davidson recently posted here.
I think the Preview screen is the minimum requirement and if possible, have it available in the pop-up window when the cog wheel is clicked (settings button) for each Input.


Ice


Yep...

You can see what Ice refers to if you turn on the Guides on any of the pro video cameras. (and some of the consumer ones) The key is that these guides are overlayed on a display but the actual output of the camera (or recording) does not include them on the image.

This is the sort of thing that you will see overlayed.
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, December 14, 2016 1:42:50 AM(UTC)
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I agree this is needed. I watched one of the vMix live shows on a TV and your logo was half lost off the edge of the TV screen.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, December 14, 2016 11:03:09 AM(UTC)
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THE European Broadcasting Union (EBU) document R95 “SAFE AREAS FOR 16:9 TELEVISION PRODUCTION” can be downloaded and reviewed at: https://tech.ebu.ch/docs/r/r095.pdf
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#6 Posted : Thursday, December 15, 2016 2:40:50 AM(UTC)
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This European standard seems to be showing a 90% and 93% safe area along with SMPTE. Would you prefer this or 80% and 90% like most NLEs and cameras use?
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#7 Posted : Thursday, December 15, 2016 4:42:08 AM(UTC)
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I think a tickbox in settings to turn off and on with the preview is best option.
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#8 Posted : Thursday, December 15, 2016 5:17:57 AM(UTC)
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vmixsupport wrote:
This European standard seems to be showing a 90% and 93% safe area along with SMPTE. Would you prefer this or 80% and 90% like most NLEs and cameras use?


I would like to see it consistent with the cameras. I use these guides to train my camera crew where to frame the shot so it would be good to have that consistent for the TD as well.
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#9 Posted : Thursday, December 15, 2016 9:52:20 AM(UTC)
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I would encourage conformity with SMPTE and/or European Broadcast standards, although the 80% of NLE's and Cameras does seem a little excessive in today's world, but might assist for better overall framing.
I know for myself and somewhat unrelated, whenever I have had to burn a DVD (those days are almost over), I've always scaled it down to 95% to get the full image on my now aging 40" LCD TV, so 93% Action Safe area should be acceptable.


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#10 Posted : Thursday, December 15, 2016 9:06:31 PM(UTC)
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+1 for EBU standard. The older 80%/90% was, I believe, more relevant when tubes ruled the Earth.
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#11 Posted : Friday, December 16, 2016 5:49:19 PM(UTC)
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EBU is probably more relevant now. A simple toggle in the PV monitor to view
but the individual sources could have a switch as well that enables this when
on PV automating the process.

The QT V10 player actually crops a bit, very strange.
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, January 3, 2017 9:58:49 AM(UTC)
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After re-reading the 2014 topic, I think that the ideal functionality would support two features.

First, a "Grid/Safe" Input that holds a number of user defined images (be it EBU, SMTPE, 90%, or whatever). vMix's install package should include some, but users would also be able to create (and share) their own. The images could be vector, but maybe bitmaps are easier (8K reso pretty future safe).

Second, applying these images on one, or a combination, of: Output, Preview, Position/MultiView, and Multiview output.

As I have no clue of what technically is possible I have not spent much time on considerations on how to implement. But I can imagina that I would like to have two images in my Grid/Sade Input. One for EBU Safe area, marked to be used in Preview. And one with a grid (lines every 128 pixel, 72 pixel) for Position/MultiView. The latter would help me align the MultiView channels on an Input.
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, January 4, 2017 7:29:11 PM(UTC)
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+1 for EBU/SMPTE. In the preview.

But also in the title designer it would help a little (even if positioning elements is quite easy with numeric values)
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#14 Posted : Saturday, January 7, 2017 5:16:09 PM(UTC)
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+1 for EBU/SMPTE, available in Preview and all inputs, plus in Tiitle Designer.
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#15 Posted : Saturday, January 7, 2017 7:25:36 PM(UTC)
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+1 for EBU, nowadays this is the relevant IMHO.
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#16 Posted : Tuesday, January 24, 2017 12:04:25 PM(UTC)
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Just tested the Safe Area functionality introduced in 18.0.0.61, much appreciated - thanks! Nicely implemented with the possibility to change in various settings tabs for the Inputs (Position, MultiView, etc). Perhaps missing one for Overlay settings.

A shortcut SetSafeArea would come in handy :)

Still think (after all, have not really worked with it) that it would be even nicer to be able to add user defined Safe Area mask(s). Also considering the usefulness to have different masks for different things. For example, SMTPE/EBU for preview and Grid4 for MultiView.

In any case, thanks again.
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#17 Posted : Tuesday, January 24, 2017 6:09:19 PM(UTC)
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Great addition after testing out the newest release of Vmix. Having all the different safe areas and grids etc. is a nice bonus!
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#18 Posted : Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:16:21 AM(UTC)
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It took me a while to find the menu (upper right corner of preview screen where cog wheel was) but YES, a welcome addition, although I might have preferred some tick marks at the mid points...


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