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Cpilcher  
#1 Posted : Saturday, February 6, 2016 3:44:44 PM(UTC)
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I am waiting for my capture card to arrive (Magewell XI400DE HDMI), and would like some input on the process for removing the ATEM from my workflow. I will be bringing in 3-4 Cameras into vMix 4K. My main concern is what is the workflow for a 2nd operator to control the mixing function separately.

I will have a full screen output set to Multiview for the operator to monitor the inputs and preview / program feeds. what are some good options to control the mixing functions? without yet being able to purchase the control surface, and I would rather not use the iPad interface either, I am curious how things will work with both myself and another person controlling vMix at the same time.

I control all functions of the production and the 2nd will strictly be focused on the video switching. would a simple numpad be able to punch the inputs live? Are there any concerns of "priority" I should worry about with multiple commands being sent to the software at the same time by 2 people?

Any light you guys could shed on these questions or any other advice you could give would be great. I look forward to eliminating the ATEM and utilizing more of the great features vMix offers. Thanks

Chuck
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#2 Posted : Sunday, February 7, 2016 12:06:58 AM(UTC)
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@ Cpilcher

Having an independent Control Surface, whether a MIDI device, touch pad or custom hardware is the way to go.
I am not sure, however, if a separate number pad behaves any differently than a built-in keyboard number pad (what I mostly use). If it does, you are laughing as it would be equivalent to the aforementioned independent Control Surface. If, on the other hand, it is just an extension of the keyboard, then there will be limitations to what you can do since the main User Interface Window has to be 'Active' for it to recognize "Shortcuts". This means that any time you have any other functions to perform, either within vMix (edit a Title for example) or outside of vMix (moderate a chat room or send a tweet), your 'Keyboard Shortcuts' for switching in vMix are non-functional (since the keyboard is required in that other 'Active' window). This is the big advantage of the web interface and/or a MIDI device or Control Surface; your TD can continue switching while you, as the producer, can do whatever needs to be done 'behind the scenes'. All I can say is that it is very frustrating and stressfull to be in the middle of trying to modify or edit a graphic or special effect when all of a sudden you need to switch cameras or apply an Overlay but there is no way to do it without closing out what you are doing and getting back to the main UI, which might only take a few seconds, but in a "Live" show, it feels like an eternity.
You would be best to experiment and test as much as possible with different scenarios to find the 'hardware' and workflow that will work best for you.


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#3 Posted : Sunday, February 7, 2016 1:21:38 AM(UTC)
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Yes, the never ending experimentation. Your points are exactly the concerns I have with the switching. While I am rarely outside of vMix these are the little details that can create some problems. I use a Korg nano controller for fading audio, I'll test some scenarios when I get the card installed and see what my options are with that. Any problems using two of those devices on the same system?
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#4 Posted : Sunday, February 7, 2016 2:02:04 AM(UTC)
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It might not be what you are looking for but have you taken a look at our vMix Control Surface iPad App?

It has the interface that resembles more of a switcher than a web interface. Might be worth a look if you are searching for a solution. Hope this helps or gives you another option.

https://itunes.apple.com...surface/id978932322?mt=8
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#5 Posted : Sunday, February 7, 2016 10:55:56 AM(UTC)
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I actually saw that yesterday and it looks very nice. The only problem, I don't normally run a network with my setup. I sometimes connect to a lan to stream a feed but I currently don't run a wireless network of any kind. I'm definitely going to check out the new version though.
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#6 Posted : Sunday, February 7, 2016 11:10:39 AM(UTC)
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You could look at xkeys panels. You can configure the keys freely with keys and blockers. Only con's are the lights won't work out of the box and the lights are not really bright enough. They should make panels with white led's instead of red and blue and make the sides of their buttons black so they won't bleed light to the next keys.

The ipad app is nice to have to be able to get onto the set and being able to control vmix to show how it's going to look, etc. But I would always prefer real buttons to press.
You cannot press keys blind on a touchscreen. When switching I prefer to keep my eyes on the multiview as much as possible.

Also, some years ago I was working from a touchscreen with a BMD ATEM at a place with lots of flies. They managed to drive me nuts starting bumpers and switching camera's without my consent! I had to disable the touchscreen and continue by mouse.
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#7 Posted : Sunday, February 7, 2016 2:33:26 PM(UTC)
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I prefer physical buttons myself and those flies would have driven me crazy. I film Mixed Martial Arts fights and one venue was literally in a horse stable... Oh the flies, luckily touch screens were not part of my setup then. If only you could have gotten those flies to follow some directions...

The way my setup works once each fight event starts I really only cut between 2 cameras so the operator just keeps their finger on the cut button and punches between the 2 angles. xkeys looks good, I wont need any sliders or knobs so to keep the options as simple as possible for my operator this may be a great addition.

keep the info coming, the card will be here Monday so I can't test anything until then, but I can draw on everyone's experience until then to help identify potential problems.

The next step will be adding an independent "Instant Replay" operator. and I don't think my computer will allow that many monitors to be connected... at least in my current configuration. As of now I manage the replays myself while also controlling the audio mix and all the overlays and other bits of finish. I just purchased a Scarlet 18i20 audio interface to bring in my Mics and it has been the perfect addition. No more hardware mixer and I can control all levels right from my Korg Nano. It's amazing. A few more pieces of equipment and my setup will be right where i want it... for now.

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#8 Posted : Sunday, February 7, 2016 3:34:02 PM(UTC)
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Stumbled across this, anyone have any experience with it? http://xkeys.com/xkeys/xkr32.php

I also like their humor, the detailed description in the center of the pic strikes me as funny for some reason... http://xkeys.com/xkeys/a...32/XKR-32BackCU_1200.jpg
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#9 Posted : Sunday, February 7, 2016 3:50:07 PM(UTC)
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@ Cpilcher

An "Instant Replay" operator adds a whole new dynamic to the set-up, especially if it's on the same PC. I would be inclined to forgo the 'MultiView' output screen and give the second monitor to the "Instant Replay" Operator and use the Contour ShuttlePRO v2 for controlling that. It might make it more difficult for the TD to preview shots with just the "Input" screens but in my experience, in a "Live" sporting event, you are often relying heavily on your camera operators to always have the shot "ready" because the cuts can be fast and furious and there is no time to actually "Preview" them, you are just taking them straight to "Program" based on the assignment or direction that was given to them and relying on them to get the focus and framing right. (I am curious to hear how mikekay, from another thread, makes out with his 3 monitor set-up, as additional monitors would definitely help with overall screen estate).


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#10 Posted : Sunday, February 7, 2016 6:50:00 PM(UTC)
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I currently use the Shuttle Pro v2 and it's great, once a production goes live I rarely need the keyboard.

But the more I think about it, I currently run a dual monitor setup so I can view vMix on one screen and replay and audio levels in another... I could just put audio on my main screen and setup my second for the replay operator. My third monitor out would be used for the multiview for switching. That just leaves me in need of a program out for my final production (usually sent to a Jumbotron at the venue). I have a bunch of Intensity pro cards, I'm just not sure if they will fit once I install the magewell card.
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2016 1:11:49 AM(UTC)
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Disregard this question, I found the audio settings in the camera input selection window.


I installed the Magewell XI-400DE HDMI card. vMix detects it and brings in the video but no audio. I can select the same port as an audio input and bring it in as an additional source, but is there a way to bring it in on the camera input?
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2016 12:53:59 PM(UTC)
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Update: I have been able to successfully eliminate an entire computer and a bunch of hardware. Thanks to vMix my mobile setup just shed a ton of weight and setup time. A couple weeks of test runs and I will be ready for a live event at the end of February. I have attached a pic of the "obsolete" equipment that I no longer have a use for.

Thanks for everyone's help and support.
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#13 Posted : Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:18:23 AM(UTC)
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So my Xkeys controller arrived...http://xkeys.com/xkeys/xkr32.php

I am trying to get it to control my switcher (Preview and Selection of camera Inputs). Everything works fine until the vMix application screen loses focus. If I click to the PC desktop or open a settings window within vMix I lose the ability to control my shortcuts from the Xkeys unit. I have the Xkeys sending numpad key presses, which are picked up by vMix as shortcuts to perform the different tasks.

I'm hoping there is a way to keep the Xkey unit as a dedicated controller for switching functions even if I need to open a settings panel or manage additional programs while running a production.
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