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This may not be entirely kosher to ask such a question unless you have both cards.
But I will anyway
Which of the two cards is the overall winner?
- Long cable support?
- Ease of configuring?
- Bullet Proof startup when the host computer is moved to new venues?
- Price
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Bruce
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Can't compare the Magewell to the Yuan, but I have the SDI version of the Magewell and had a BM Intensity card before that. The Magewell card is much easier to use for capturing than the BM Intensity. Magewell will automatically adjust to the settings of the incoming signal and will convert on the fly to the capture resolutions specified in vMix for that input. With the BM Intensity, all of the input and capture settings had to be just right and a match to the incoming signal for vMix to work properly. I love using the Magewell card.
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@kelvin
I know what you mean about the BM I had an intensityPro card in a pcie slot and an Intensity Shuttle plugged into usb3 and It was just too sketchy to use at a streaming gig. I was never sure that both cameras would show so I went back to a liveshell encoder using a single camera.
Do need 4 cameras live switched going forward however and I know the magewell 4 port card is well thought of by at least one member here and I'm trying to find out if the yuan is just as good because it may be less expensive
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Bruce,
We have used the Yuan SC510 cards (mainly HDMI but also a few SDI) for some years by now, it's a very cost effective product. Easy to install, setup and works very well with vMix. We tend to use short cables (3 to 5 meters), sometomes longer using HDMI extenders. I would not use this card for long cables (eg 7+ m) without powered extenders.
In a few cases we have had minor issues with "lost sigal". I am still looking into why, but it seems that bad cables (or perhaps a particular type) is mostly the issue.
We also have one of Magewell XI400DE_HDMI, still testing it. So far it too seems to work very well, including no problems with 10 m HDMI cables. To early to tell though, as we have not really stressed it in the field. It's more expensive, but I am thinking it's hardware based (according to spec) scaling might be worth it (less stress on CPU graphics card).
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Today, I have one Word in My Mouth ... MAGEWELL for all your need 10 metre witha very good HDMi cable, it's work without any issue For the lost of Signal you did have, I found myself in that same position sometime with some Avermedia card, and we came out with it changing the PSU. yes, it's seems strange, but A good One PSU can change the deal, never Use a bad one even if its mark that the Power is good C. richardgatarski wrote:Bruce,
We have used the Yuan SC510 cards (mainly HDMI but also a few SDI) for some years by now, it's a very cost effective product. Easy to install, setup and works very well with vMix. We tend to use short cables (3 to 5 meters), sometomes longer using HDMI extenders. I would not use this card for long cables (eg 7+ m) without powered extenders.
In a few cases we have had minor issues with "lost sigal". I am still looking into why, but it seems that bad cables (or perhaps a particular type) is mostly the issue.
We also have one of Magewell XI400DE_HDMI, still testing it. So far it too seems to work very well, including no problems with 10 m HDMI cables. To early to tell though, as we have not really stressed it in the field. It's more expensive, but I am thinking it's hardware based (according to spec) scaling might be worth it (less stress on CPU graphics card).
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Are the Yuan SC510 cards available in the US? I haven't been able to find a source.
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I asked vprime and got this answer: Hi Bruce, Yes the card is made by Magewell. We have them in stock and they can be ordered directly from our website for immediate delivery. Regards, Bill Down Vprime Sales Manager Phone: 503-619-2439 Direct: 503-858-2585 E-Mail: bdown@vprime.comwww.vprime.com From: Bruce Dempsey [mailto:liveeventdvd@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 1:38 PM To: info@vprime.comSubject: [Info] VCC-400DE [#74-10b3] Hi Can I know please whether you VC-400DE is manufactured by Magewell? thanks I am in the market for such a device
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whow! Do you have a picture showing how big a 40 meter rolled up cable looks like?
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We use those also and they work great. You have to be really careful with the HDMI connector ends when you are constantly using them. Because of that we are in the process of switching everything over to HD-SDI. Cables are cheaper, go farther, and easier to deploy.
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what kind of cameras do you use?
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I would never recommend that solution. There are always problems with hdmi connections. I use HDMI to SDI converter from my camera. At first I installed them with velcro to tripod. Soon I found out that sometimes, when I move camera mini hdmi connection may disconnect for a moment. So, I installed the converter to the camera, so it moves with the camera (hdmi cable doesn't move in relation to the camera and converter). I can't imagine how would it be if it was a long, thick, rigid HDMI cable. Use HDMI only if: - it's in studio, not for away jobs - you are sure you can't afford hd-sdi - short distance
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Anybody using wireless hdmi transmitter and receiver instead of cable. I think 30mtr is possible
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ngtech wrote:what kind of cameras do you use? If that question was for me....we use about 4 Panasonic HMC40s and a couple of Sony HVR-HD1000s. We ended up getting HDMI-SDI converters for all cameras and run HD-SDI cables. Like r@wisla said, the HDMI connectors will get messed up unless it is in a permanent install where they aren't disconnected. Since we do 99% field work we found the HDMI cable connectors get busted. It is much easier to fix a HD-SDI bnc connector versus a HDMI connector. Kirk
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halfpipe wrote:Anybody using wireless hdmi transmitter and receiver instead of cable. I think 30mtr is possible We have used the Nyrius wireless HDMI but haven't had too good of reliability. For us it would sometimes take a lot of playing with it to get it to work then it would go in and out. It made for a lot of frustrating times when you're in the heat of a live production. We are planning to save some money and get some Teradek wireless equipment. Kirk
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I use wireless transmitters for fixed cameras where it is difficult to run a cable to. Also for a hand held camera on a basketball court. In that environment under 30 metres I have had good success. With good line of sight I have been able to stretch the distance out to about 40 metres.
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