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Hi, and thanks for all the grate work you guys put into vMix v28.
One of the new features I have been waiting for for a while now. Double up on the multiviews. Yes!
To my big surprise, you are not able to set the preview/program view to show an other mix than mix 1, the main mix.
I was really hoping this was possible. This way I could easily make a multiview for my camera guy/girl, which mixes the camera feed in a "sub" mix.
You might see this as an feature request, but I see this as an bug or not thinking of the possibility to do this.
Really hope this gets implemented before the stable release.
Kindly Aki
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Hello
This i think can be done. If you go to multiview in a number drop down menu, in vmix 28 has the option "mix" when until vmix 27 this "mix" not exist
As for the other you say,my opinion is that pgm-preview Output-main will always be main output (even if you send any other mix,operator must know what viewers see)so must exist there
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Originally Posted by: WaltG12  This will only show the active output of the mix. I would like to see the preview of the mix. Just like the "regular" multiview with preview on one side and output/main on the other side. This should just show the preview and output from fx mix3 Hope this makes sense. Thanks for the comments, though ;-) Kindly Aki
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I was kinda wrong, should have tested before I replied. You can see the preview and output of a mix. But it is scaled way down, so both preview and output fit side by side where you would normally see just one input. Not ideal, as the preview is used to check if the video/camera is ready for going live, and gets way to small for this. So, almost there... ;-) Kindly Aki  mix view2.jpg (216kb) downloaded 4 time(s).
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It's showing you the input.
When the Mix is in "Output Only" mode, that's what you get.
When it's not, you get the full view.
This is just taking the same visual you see in the "Input" section and putting it in the Multiview.
I believe I've seen past feature requests for Mix preview behavior that would give you what you're looking for here, but I can't find any at the moment, but that would be a "Feature Request".
In the meantime, you can create an input that correlates to the Mix preview and use scripting to change it as the Mix preview changes, but it'll be only as responsive as the timing on the script that's polling the API.
Then you can use that to give you the Mix preview and the Mix output of your choice.
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Originally Posted by: Aki I was kinda wrong, should have tested before I replied. You can see the preview and output of a mix. But it is scaled way down, so both preview and output fit side by side where you would normally see just one input. Not ideal, as the preview is used to check if the video/camera is ready for going live, and gets way to small for this. So, almost there... ;-) Kindly Aki mix view2.jpg (216kb) downloaded 4 time(s). May i offer another approach to this? By using scripting or companion bitfocus triggers we can do 2 new blank inputs. In the 1st blank input we put as layer1 the mix2 input and for example we rename it "Mix2-pgm" and in the 2nd blank input as layer1 we put again Mix2 input and we rename this blank input as "Mix2-prv" Now we have 2 inputs that 1 must have the pgm out of mix2 and the other same time the preview of mix2 If you know scripting you can do a script to check and change the values when mix2 changes pgm-prv. With the help of companion triggers we need 2 triggers like these 2 i attach mix2-pgm.png (71kb) downloaded 0 time(s). mix2-prv.png (73kb) downloaded 1 time(s).So now when we do a cut/fade transition to mix2 input the 2 blank inputs will be informed like this mix2-1 multi.png (20kb) downloaded 0 time(s). mix2-2 multi.png (20kb) downloaded 0 time(s).
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Originally Posted by: nikosman88 Originally Posted by: Aki I was kinda wrong, should have tested before I replied. You can see the preview and output of a mix. But it is scaled way down, so both preview and output fit side by side where you would normally see just one input. Not ideal, as the preview is used to check if the video/camera is ready for going live, and gets way to small for this. So, almost there... ;-) Kindly Aki mix view2.jpg (216kb) downloaded 4 time(s). May i offer another approach to this? By using scripting or companion bitfocus triggers we can do 2 new blank inputs. In the 1st blank input we put as layer1 the mix2 input and for example we rename it "Mix2-pgm" and in the 2nd blank input as layer1 we put again Mix2 input and we rename this blank input as "Mix2-prv" Now we have 2 inputs that 1 must have the pgm out of mix2 and the other same time the preview of mix2 If you know scripting you can do a script to check and change the values when mix2 changes pgm-prv. With the help of companion triggers we need 2 triggers like these 2 i attach mix2-pgm.png (71kb) downloaded 0 time(s). mix2-prv.png (73kb) downloaded 1 time(s).So now when we do a cut/fade transition to mix2 input the 2 blank inputs will be informed like this mix2-1 multi.png (20kb) downloaded 0 time(s). mix2-2 multi.png (20kb) downloaded 0 time(s). Originally Posted by: WaltG12 It's showing you the input.
When the Mix is in "Output Only" mode, that's what you get.
When it's not, you get the full view.
This is just taking the same visual you see in the "Input" section and putting it in the Multiview.
I believe I've seen past feature requests for Mix preview behavior that would give you what you're looking for here, but I can't find any at the moment, but that would be a "Feature Request".
In the meantime, you can create an input that correlates to the Mix preview and use scripting to change it as the Mix preview changes, but it'll be only as responsive as the timing on the script that's polling the API.
Then you can use that to give you the Mix preview and the Mix output of your choice.
That`s what i was thinking and write. About the latency. I have companion at 250ms api poll and in the multiview screen it is like realtime. I press to change in the mix2 and almost immediatelly it changes to multiview out
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Hi
Thank you for taking your time to reply with solutions and pictures and all. Highly appreciated!
Really liked the companion solution, as I had not tought of this.
I actually have made a script where you can use a multi-layered input to make your own multiview with multiple previews from "sub-mix's"
And this just by naming your inputs and mix with the right names. But is it easy and intuitive? No, it is not.
I have multiple colleagues that are quit good vMix operators, but have no idea about scripting. This request is for them, and others not comfortable with scripting.
Is it a "Feature Request", well maybe, but while the vMix developers are working on the multiview, this should be done now instead of waiting.
From a developer viewpoint, I would say this should be "quite" easy to implement. To make this "feature" easy and intuitive, might be just a little bit harder.
Kindly Aki
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Originally Posted by: Aki Hi
Thank you for taking your time to reply with solutions and pictures and all. Highly appreciated!
Really liked the companion solution, as I had not tought of this.
I actually have made a script where you can use a multi-layered input to make your own multiview with multiple previews from "sub-mix's"
And this just by naming your inputs and mix with the right names. But is it easy and intuitive? No, it is not.
I have multiple colleagues that are quit good vMix operators, but have no idea about scripting. This request is for them, and others not comfortable with scripting.
Is it a "Feature Request", well maybe, but while the vMix developers are working on the multiview, this should be done now instead of waiting.
From a developer viewpoint, I would say this should be "quite" easy to implement. To make this "feature" easy and intuitive, might be just a little bit harder.
Kindly Aki
My personal opinion and experience is that You`re right at some point but not on my whole point of view. Most people maybe are good operators but dont know to do scripting or more complex things or things that you,me or another person who likes to search and test,will find it easy For academic/learning reasons except vmix i watch some things in internet like bmd/tricaster/obs and other groups. My opinion is that most people can do a good show if the person who likes to search and test,give them some things ready. Because most people dont even care to do the procedure to learn something more and this is ok. All systems need a learning curve or workarounds and that`s life some people can learn or do these workarounds and others not. That`s the purpose for me,that exist forum like this and groups So my opinion is that is not a really reason for any company/developer to do all of our requests in their software with a reason like anyone to do anything "easy" or easy
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