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About the Obtanium reference system.
I am wondering why the w5-2565X CPU is recommended instead of the w7-2575X
The latter has 4 Cores plus 22 vs 18, which would allow more NDI IP flows. Apart from incorporating more cache memory. It is true that the base frequency is 3 GHz compared to the 3.2 GHz of the w5-2565X.
But the previous top CPU reference system was an i9-10980 XE with a base frequency of 3.0 GHz and it was the recommended one.
Summing up. Isn't a w7-2575X better than a w5-2565X if there are no budget problems?
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Hi,
w7-2575X is a bit more powerful than w5-2565X. vmix gives a minimum reference system. nothing prevents you from taking more powerful components.
nothing stops you from opting for the w9-3495x if you have the budget
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Excuse me for telling you that precisely that processor that you indicate would not be suitable for vMix at all. The reason is the very low base frequency. Since this CPU has so many Cores, its clock must be quite low. Very powerful but with low operating revolutions like the Diesel engine of a freight ship.
w5-2565X - 3.2GHz w7-2575X - 3.0GHz I9-10980XE - 3.0GhZ w9-3495X - 1.9GHz
Vmix needs high base frequency, from what I understand.
This is precisely the debate I want to open here. the importance of clock frequency compared to other characteristics of CPUs
Similar to the graphics card debate. The importance of memory bandwidth or the number of CUDA cores compared to other characteristics of GPUs for vMix
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i too have been curious about these two processors.It would be great if someone can confirm if the .2Ghz drop in w7-2575x processor speed will impact performance negatively. I very much like the w7-2575x for the extra cores as I lean more towards an NDI workflow.
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personally, for 200 mhz I would opt for more cores
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You are likely fine with the w7-2575X, it should give you the same or marginally better performance and I believe the main consideration at vMix was to build a system with the "best" performance at the lowest cost (comparable or better than the previous Diamond Reference System with an i9-10980XE).
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Question. Has vMix Official recently announced any tested configuration of the latest generation that does not care about price but about maximum performance?
For example with Ryzen threadripper or without leaving Intel with a w7-3565X CPU that with the same Gigabyte MW83-RP0 motherboard of the Obtanium reference system could allow the use of 4 BM Decklink Quad2 capture cards to achieve 32 SDI ports with a thin graphics card like the upcoming RTX 5090 Founder Edition?
I open a debate
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@ Xavi137 To the best of my knowledge, vMix has not tested the current high end Threadripper Pro models (they are crazy expensive), but they were or did spend a lot of time testing the mid-range Threadrippers, however, could not find a system that was "as good as or better" than the previous Diamond Reference System until they tested the XEON W5-2565X. A lot of that was explained here in the December 2024 "Fun Time LIVE" Show: ?t=169 Ice
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Thank you. I didn't know the video.
I understand that the reference system is the best power-price ratio.
But without a doubt, if the budget is not a problem, a better machine can be made without having problems with fitting parts or cooling.
It would also be good to know if they have done very long-term stress tests with that Gigabyte MW83-RP0 board. Lest they recommend a motherboard that has a short lifespan because it is more poorly built compared to direct competition. Its lower price lies partly in this. For example, comparing with an Asus PRO WS W790E SAGE SE (Intel) or Asus Pro WS WRX90E-SAGE SE (AMD) with more perceptible quality.
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It would be very positive for vMix to recommend an official system for maximum broadcast production.
To demonstrate that it is the most cutting-edge product with the most possibilities on the market.
My proposal would be to test an Asus Pro WS WRX90E SAGE SE motherboard, with a Threadripper Pro 7975WX or the next generation 9975WX CPU.
Noctua NH-U14S TR5-SP6 CPU Heatsink
RTX 4090 or RTX 5090 Founder Edition GPU or a third-party version with integrated liquid cooling
Octachannel memory 8x16GB 6800 MHz ECC
SilverStone RM51 5 RU rack box
FA CORSAIR AX1600i ATX
Four BM Decklink Quad 2 to have 32 3G SDI bidi. ports
The Asus Pro WS WRX90E SAGE SE motherboard has 6 PCIe 5.0 x16 + 1 PCIe 5.0 x8. Four M.2 5.0 x4 slots. Dual Ethernet Intel 2x10GbE + 1GbE Realtek
Graphic inserted in PCIE_1
The four DeckLinks in PCIE_4,5,6,7
Please correct me if something bothers you. I would almost like to open a new topic
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rather an AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 7985WX if you want to stay on a base frequency of 3ghz minimum as above  Capture d'ecran 2025-02-05 182950.jpg (69kb) downloaded 0 time(s).and 2tb ram  ryzen pro.jpg (59kb) downloaded 0 time(s).and an Nvidia RTX 6000 ADA instead of the 5080/5090
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It is true that the one you indicate is the model just above the 7975WX CPU.
But look at the following comparison:
- 7975WX 32 CORES, Base Clock 4.0GHz, Price $4,000
- 7985WX 64 CORES, Base Clock 3.2GHz, Price $7,500
Previously I wanted to present a better system than the larger budget reference but also limit it a little. And there is a 3,500 dollar difference between one CPU and the other.
Better to save this $3,500 and be able to dedicate an extra $1,000 to going from an RTX 4080 SUPER to an RTX 4090 or from an RTX 5080 to an RTX 5090. You will improve the system more by spending an extra $1,000 on graphics than $3,500 on CPU.
The previously proposed system with 7975WX CPU and vMix Pro could cost about $14,500
If it is with CPU 7985WX about $18,000
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on the official AMD website, the base clock of the 7995WX is 2.5 ghz  amd.jpg (173kb) downloaded 0 time(s).if you stay on your low cpu minimum at 3 ghz you invest the difference between the cpu in rtx 6000 ada and if you want to make a max system, you don't count the money anymore
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Why an ADA 6000?
Exclusively for vMix a 4090 is very similar in performance, and a 5090 will be much better than the ADA 6000 or the ADA 5880.
At a certain level it is absurd to spend more money for nothing.
And considering that there are several vMix machines that have to be set up for several simultaneous productions. If with a closed budget you can set up 10 elite systems, better than only being able to buy 6 systems when the performance will be the same or worse.
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unlimited encoders for rtx ada and in your list you forgot the m2 pcie 5.0 x4 ssd
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Every time I see that you don't have much idea.
With any RTX Gamer from previous generations and low power you already have 8 sessions to encode. Why do you want more in vMix?
The important thing is the decoders to have many inputs.
Then the quantity of m2 pcie 5.0 x4 SSD is more a question of the motherboard and the chipset than of the option to have the connectors.
Since any Threadripper PRO 7000 WX series processor it has 128 PCIe Lanes. In that, the 7945WX and the 7595WX are the same.
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Originally Posted by: Xavi137  Every time I see that you don't have much idea.
With any RTX Gamer from previous generations and low power you already have 8 sessions to encode. Why do you want more in vMix?
The important thing is the decoders to have many inputs.
Then the quantity of m2 pcie 5.0 x4 SSD is more a question of the motherboard and the chipset than of the option to have the connectors.
Since any Threadripper PRO 7000 WX series processor it has 128 PCIe Lanes. In that, the 7945WX and the 7595WX are the same. 8 encodes can easily be covered if we do 4 camera multicorder+record pgm and 4 streams we`re over the GPU driver as now we have the ability of 5 streams. But also quadro that says unrestricted is only in theory. In practice for example i have quadro p4000 and it says un-limited encodes but in practice is not true. So in practice maybe a quadro can do 10 1080p? i dont believe that it can do even the new 5000 series quadro for example 10 cameras and 5 streams and record. Maybe 3-4 years back when the GTX-RTX drivers allow for 3 hw encodes,quadro cards was more meaningfull for Vmix shows with more than 3 encodes and max 8 but now is not this the case. For decoders.. It is other story in my opinion. At first this will only have effect only for SRT and NDI HX. There yes it will be used. BUT.. for full NDI or Video playing the GPU decoder is not used. So there for a workflow like this,CPU is important
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Attached is a comparative table of graphic cards. It is the one I use to configure equipment.  It can be seen that although the quadro have unlimited coding sessions and the gamer 8 sessions. The recently arrived RTX 5090 also has 3 NVENC modules like the RTX 6000 and the RTX 5880 I have not tried it but I doubt that an RTX 6000 can encode more than 8 Full HD videos as you also mention. https://developer.nvidia.com/video-encode-and-decode-gpu-support-matrix-new
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Originally Posted by: Xavi137  It would be very positive for vMix to recommend an official system for maximum broadcast production.
To demonstrate that it is the most cutting-edge product with the most possibilities on the market.
My proposal would be to test an Asus Pro WS WRX90E SAGE SE motherboard, with a Threadripper Pro 7975WX or the next generation 9975WX CPU.
Noctua NH-U14S TR5-SP6 CPU Heatsink
RTX 4090 or RTX 5090 Founder Edition GPU or a third-party version with integrated liquid cooling
Octachannel memory 8x16GB 6800 MHz ECC
SilverStone RM51 5 RU rack box
FA CORSAIR AX1600i ATX
Four BM Decklink Quad 2 to have 32 3G SDI bidi. ports
The Asus Pro WS WRX90E SAGE SE motherboard has 6 PCIe 5.0 x16 + 1 PCIe 5.0 x8. Four M.2 5.0 x4 slots. Dual Ethernet Intel 2x10GbE + 1GbE Realtek
Graphic inserted in PCIE_1
The four DeckLinks in PCIE_4,5,6,7
Please correct me if something bothers you. I would almost like to open a new topic Excuse how this ASUS board has the CPU socket rotated 90 degrees to gain space. So the heatsink must be an Artic Freezer 4U-M. The Noctua NH-U14S is not suitable for an industrial rack case that has to extract air only from the rear.
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